AA or KK very early in a multi - Page 2

Aequitas58 · #26 10-25-04, 11:15 PM

Chip,

You have to play to win the tournament. Not, play just to play. Although there are circumstances where you should fold aces, your odds of surviving the tournament are so small... and it doesn't even matter if you are a solid player. I see no hesitation here. Get your money in when you have the best of it.

"Call."

ChipFish · #27 10-26-04, 12:05 AM

Not going to change my mind here....
I understand the stats.... I understand what the "correct" move is....

I still fold.

eddo31 · #28 10-26-04, 01:16 AM

i understand the idea of playing for survival at times, and not playing for coinflips, but that is not this situation. this is the absolute best situation you can be in to gain chips. there is a point in time where you will have to accumulate chips, or you will be gone. doing so with a 4-1 edge is as good as you can get preflop. i know you dont want to bust early, and the fact that you have to move in is something that you want to avoid, but given these odds i think you have to do it.

hellmuth talked about a hand in this yaers tourney where he laid down QQ when he said he put his opponent on 77, and he justified the laydown by saying that the guy could have sucked out on him. i dont think that is a legitimate excuse at all, and there is a difference between playing scared and playing for survival. AK v JJ is a coinflip, overpair v underpair is not.

the fact that you said that you would do this in a small buy in MTT tells you exactly what you should do in thi ssituation. if you are playing and the amount of money you are playing for makes you adjust your strategy, then you shouldnt be playing at that limit/buy-in.

just wondering, if you won the seat in a $40 online satellite, a la moneymaker, would that change your decision?

Aequitas58 · #29 10-26-04, 02:17 AM

And... If you go into the WSOP with that attitude, you won't come close to making the money.

Keep on foldin.

GeoffM · #30 10-26-04, 08:32 AM

I think doubling up on the first hand of the tourney is a huge advantage IMO. Think of the power you would wield at the table you are playing. You can steal a heck of a lot more pots, and can generally overbet many of your hands to bully people out. I would push all-in with AA in a heartbeat.

ChipFish · #31 10-26-04, 08:41 AM

Please see my other thread....
Keep offering advice

Perhaps you will one day learn that multi-table tournaments are about survival.
Just so you know, the WSOP is not a Rebuy! (Czarcasm

In a field of 2500 with 10,000 starting chips you will need approx 1 million chips or so to make around the final table.... Tell me again how important those 10,000 chips from the first hand are? Would they be nice to have?
Yes.... Are they necessary? Not in the least.

ChipFish · #32 10-26-04, 08:43 AM

If I do go to the WSOP
Wouldn't it be funny if I sat at the TV table and they show my first hand and it's A-A.... I'd probably push all-in even though I am writing the opposite.
LMAO

GeoffM · #33 10-26-04, 08:47 AM

I was just thinking the same thing. Especially on TV, I think you would look pretty dumb to not go all-in.

And James, I believe you meant Czarcasm.

ChipFish · #34 10-26-04, 08:57 AM

Although could you imagine being the guy who FOLDS Aces and then goes on to place in the money? They might talk about that for a while.

Yes you are correct.... How sillly of me.... Spelling error corrected.

GeoffM · #35 10-26-04, 08:59 AM

Yeah, they'd talk about it a while, that's the guy that liad down AA on the first hand of the tourney.

Although for some reason I'm not so sure I'd want to be remembered in that light.

jimmytheg · #36 10-26-04, 09:22 AM

Yes, multitable tournies are about survival...if you want to sneak into the money.

If you want to win the damn thing, there is no way you fold AA to an allin bet against 1 player with any size stack....at any point of the tournament....even on the bubble.

I ask, what would be a better spot to get your chips in? If i was playing against a player who wouldnt call all his chips with AA preflop....well guess what, every time you put a bet in preflop, and i'm in a position to isolate...im gonna put you in.

The Best players are aggresive players, who build a stack, and use it to pummle the rest. You can not build a stack without taking some risks. And if you are not willing to put all your chips in the middle with the bullets, against only 1 player, ill say what others have said....you will never win a major tournament. You might be able to struggle along and limp into the money....but final tables make people rich.