Keys to Game Selection

[Reel Deal]

Why?

You're 48 points low there Chief.

[Boobie Lover]

Did you make sure to create the .exe file in the same folder as the one you have the "FreePHG.exe"? Also, do you have FreePHG version 2?

[Talking Poker]

In reality, yes. Although, I honestly - deep down - only belive that 90ish% of people are stupid.

The 51% I was referring to were, of course, the people that these people are apologizing for:

[melioris]

HAHAHAHAHAHA look how stupid I am. I saved the file as a .exe and then also named it .exe. Thanks-I will buy you many beers one day!!!

[bunny]

Suggestion: Sticky Thread would nice.

Would be nice to have easy access to this great informational thread.

Excellent post, Shabi.

[johnp158]

Jesus Christ. This looks like it'll be more than worth my Saturday morning.

[johnp158]

I'm apparently pretty computer-illiterate. Do I need an editor to copy the iWitness script into? Can I just download one for free?

[JDMcNugent7]

Awesome post it will def. help alot of ppl out.
I still dont use Anything when i play. I havent even updated PT in prob. a week.
I have all the programs but personally, I think its just more challenging and helps ur game better to not use these programs - its not like ur gonna have them at a live poker table-
with that said tho I could prob be makin alot more $ if I did use these programs and I think it makes alot of sense for ppl to use them - I just dont.

[melioris]

Dude, I promise you are bette than me with computers. It is all here, follow the links and it will all make sense.

[PShabi]

Alright, just made some major changes. The biggie is in the fishfinder section. I just posted a link for my Buddy Importer app and gave step by step instructions for getting buddies from PT to Party painlessly.

Also, a link was entered for the "All Snap" program. It's very minor, you almost don't even realize it's doing anything. Just makes windows align quickly and easily.

[PShabi]

It's not like I'm going to be playing at a live table. And just so everyone knows, I do not run PT or PokerAce during NLHE tourneys. I don't find it necessary.

[Talking Poker]

Exactly. These are tools best used for multi-tabling cash games. That way, instead of having to remember who is who at each table (and notice when players come and go, etc), you can just glance at their numbers any time you need to. I find that I hardly ever even look at them, honestly, but I've never used anything for table selection, and I'm confident this will be extremely helpful.

I see no reason to sticky this thread though (bunny). It's already right here at the top of the forum where you can't miss it, and once you're set up (Tonight? Tomorrow? Sunday?), you're set up, so you won't need it any more. For future people, it will easily be found by doing a simple search.

[Talking Poker]

I decided to give this a whirl tonight, and while it seems overwhelming at first, it's really not all that bad at all. I went ahead and downloaded all the install files first and then tried to figure out where to go from there. A better idea would have been to seek out and install (and run) each program one at a time. You'll be able to see how everything works together better that way.

Anyhoo.... I have to say, after following the instructions in this thread pretty much line by line (including Boobie's posted PM to mel), it's actually fairly straight forward and so far, everything is working like a champ! The only thing that I didn't see mentioned was where to install these files. I made a C:\Program Files\Poker\ folder and gave each program a folder in there. That way, they are all together and easy to find.

I'm to the point where I can successfully mine data for 10 Party tables at a time. I did that for not very long... maybe 20 or 30 minutes, and then quit. You definitely want to NOT be doing anything else at the same time that you are mining, btw, because if any other program takes control (becomes the active window) at the same time that iWitness is running through the table list, crazy shit happens. This includes AIM, other poker sites (when they pop up), etc. Lesson learned.

So, after that, I followed pshabi's instructions and filtered my new data in PT, exported Fish.csv and used his Buddy Importer thingee to import them into Party. Damn, that was easy.

Now, I've never actually used Party's Buddy List before, but I did tonight, just for kicks. Sure enough (since I had just mined the data), a number of them were still active, so I went and joined a few waiting lists, and in no time, I was literally swimming with the fishes. I didn't actually play, because I'm doing other stuff, but I did get to the point where I could have...

I also have that AutoSnap program running (very nice), and I set up the AutoResizer program too. Haven't used it yet, but it looks like it's going to be VERY helpful - eliminating all that annoying crap you have to do every time you sit at a new table (not to mention the Party SPAM), etc. It's freaking beautiful.

Like anything else, I'm sure this will take a little getting used to, but the point is, it's all right there and very doable. Just follow the instructions.

I wonder how many new "buddies" I'll have by morning if I mine overnight.

Two thumbs up, pshabi!!!

[Talking Poker]

I've been thinking about your "Fish" numbers a bit pshabi:

This is basically getting you everyone with over a 50% VPIP (with the small exception of the players who have 8-9% PRF). On top of that, it gets you the calling stations who are > 40% VPIP and < 8% PRF.

How did you come up with these numbers. I think they are a good starting point, but I think you could tweak them to be better. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have lots and lots of pretty big fish on your list, or fewer HUGER fish on your list.

I definitely like the calling station types and the complete pyschos, but I'm thinking I may tweak the numbers to be something along the lines of this, to get me even BIGGER fish:

-----
VP$IP > 40%
PFR < 8%

and

VP$IP > 60%
PFR > 15%
-----

Something like that. This is basically the same as your list, but I'm exclusing these guys:
VP$IP > 50% and VP$IP < 60%
PFR > 8% PFR < 15%

Yes, those are bad players... but are they bad enough?

As I'm typing this, I'm rethinking it. I mean, a guy who is 55/10 is pretty freaking bad. I guess I see why you are using the numbers that you are. You're saying "Give me EVERYONE over 50% VP$IP and also throw in the guys over 40% VP$IP who are < 8% PRF. Yeah, that makes sense. Now that I've reasoned it out, I think I like your numbers (even though you should change your 9% to an 8% to cover everyone). I'll go ahead and post this anyway though

Boobie - what numbers do you use?

[Boobie Lover]

I like to use "Went to showdown" percentage along with the VP$IP to qualify how big of a calling station the player is. The players with 50 VP$IP and 40+% went to showdown percentage are the biggest donators to me.

[Boobie Lover]

Does anyone else use alternative layouts for PokerAce? Here's the one I use.

hud.jpg

With this layout, it contains VP$IP, preflop raise %, went to showdown %, fold to flop and turn bet, and aggression frequency for each street. I like it much more than the standard layout. You can download it


{TP Edit: To download, right click and "Save Target As"}

[Aequitas58]

This is the second best post of the month, IMO.

[Talking Poker]

Damn..... that's sexy. I use a layout I made myself back in the day, but it pales in comparison to that one. I think I may have to give that a whirl. So much information!!!

Edit: And good call on the Went to Showdown for identifying fish. That's one of the fields I added to PAH when I first set it up. I want to know who I can bully and who is going to call me down every time, no matter how much strength I've shown. I think that's one of the most important stats, right behind VPIP and PFR, of course.

[PShabi]

Actually, my filters are greater than or equal to, so I do get those 50/8 guys.

[Robbie Robb]

I just started dabbling in the Limit games at Stars and have to agree with what was said above: that Went to Showdown is VITAL to spotting the biggest donators.

My PAHUD layout is essentially the default with the exception that I've added Went to Showdown to the list. Nikki had added it a while ago but I didn't add it until I started playing the limit games. I find it more valuable there as opposed to NL.

[PShabi]

I definitely show the WTSD rate in my PokerAce display. I just don't select it as a criteria for adding buddies to my list. I'm not looking to refine the list any further. I like a wide selection of fish.

[Talking Poker]

Dude. > <> >= & < <> <=

Thanks for confusing us all. Sheesh!

[PShabi]

Glad you got it all figured out. How long did you spend on it? I can't say for myself because it didn't all happen at once. I accumulated stuff through Mayhem's help and my own searches as well.

[Talking Poker]

Um... I dunno. Not in a hurry and testing one step at a time, I'd say it was less than an hour from the time I started until I had data importing. I was playing and doing some other things at the same time, so I wasn't giving it 100% of my attention.

To be conservative, call it 3-4 hours (one evening) from beginning all the way to having a functioning buddy list and having the AutoResizer and PAHud (which I already used) set up the way you like, etc.

[melioris]

thanks again pshabi, this system kicks ass. Unironic ->

Is anyone else having problems with searching for players? When I open the "find player" option and then click on the "buddies" button next to the text box, I only get a small subset of my buddy list, usually the same names. Is anyone else experiencing this problem?