skype call

[stormswa]

omg there is a huge benefit from ghosting a good player deep in a tourney, to hear what he is thinking during a hand. Hands are being discussed but they are not being discussed like RD says. No one is telling the guy playing what to do, the guy playing it telling everyone what he is doing and why.

example: Deep in a tourney guy opens on button.
Player: Im going to 3bet shove him here, this is the 3rd time in a row he has open raised. I have a perfect reshoving stack of 19bb and he has to have a very big hand to call me. If he folds I will pick up 5bb which would be about a 25% gain to my stack. If he calls I figure to be no worse then 40/60 dog with a chance of gaining a lot of chips.

its still 1 player per hand, no one is helping him play it, he is just giving us his thought process. This is what most online coachs do with their students. Its much nicer to do it this way then go through hundreds of HH files to help them, plus its also a great group of people to sit around and chat with.

as for talking about hands between them, a player can ask if we thought that shove was +EV and we can discuss it as a group of players why.

For instance we had this hand come up other night, player folded and said im not sure if that was a good fold or I should shove or raise. We spent about 10 minutes discussing the value in raising vs shoving there, some players thought raise/calling was good while others disagreed and though open shoving was only thing you could do. We spent about 20 minutes discussing it, that is same thing that happens in HA here but we get everyones opinions right away instead of waiting days for everyone to post.

[MAYHEM45]

tourneys take lots of skill imo.

[Wes]

i'm really not sure why you are trying to defend yourself swa when it is pretty clear that people will discuss hands as they play out. it's not against the rules at stars though fwiw.

[melioris]

if you make the analogy to live poker, this is cheating without question. I think the same thing could be said of HUDs. The point is that online poker and live poker are not the same thing. But since online players are not organized to form a governing body or some kind of codification of rules, the online game is in a bit of a mess right now and so folks tend to fall back on the closest example, which is the accepted rules for live play.

Rinse and repeat.

[stormswa]

I'm not saying it dosent happen, I would be a complete moron to try to convince anyone it dosent happen. Im just saying thats not what we do.

[thadeas1]

Programs like skype, team view and even IM's are the reason online poker gets alot of bad press and why alot of accusations are thrown around on public forums.

IMO its a slippery path to walk down and I wouldn't want to risk it as sites can basically freeze accounts at their whim. Dont get me wrong thou as im not accusing anyone of anything and I can definately see a benefit of using such programs for coaching.

just my 1 penny's worth.