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Old 11-21-04, 10:49 AM
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I'M WITH YOU MAN! I would love a table full of them at low limit. You could bluff A LOT more than you could with the people you usually play. The hands would be come really short-handed and I think I could win over half the pots I had dominant position in. I'd steal the button every hand from 8 and 9. It'd be a lot of fun.
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Old 11-21-04, 03:20 PM
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Yea what he said ... with the feed forward neutral thing.
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Old 11-21-04, 04:57 PM
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everyone says that bots will never catch up with real players, but thats what everyone said when deep blue was made, then it ended up beating the best chess player in the world. if the computer takes tabs on your betting, your folding, and even how long you pause before acting, you will have no chance. bots should be prevented at all costs.

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Old 11-21-04, 05:09 PM
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2 Things:

a) about comparing chess and poker: Agree with TP here, the reason you cannot compare chess and poker is mainly because you have all the information available in chess, but only partial information in poker.

b) Legal issues:
1) EULA doesnt hold up in court. I remember at least 2 cases where the EULA didnt matter one bit in court.
2) Even though Party Poker isnt directly bound by US law, they still cant do whatever they want. International business law still applies.

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Old 11-21-04, 06:04 PM
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Exaclty what I'm saying. Since a computer can remember EVERYTHING from every game it plays in, against a well programmed bot you would have no chance over the long run. After a while it would get a better read than we ever could on a player by analyzing every play you have ever made. If you tried to adapt your style, or play just the opposite of your first plays, it would begin to notice your new style of play and play against that. Not to mention remember the exact situation that caused you to switch styles, and basically just do everything that we as humans try to do in poker.

Bots should be feared.

EDIT: But maybe not the bots of today
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Old 11-21-04, 09:38 PM
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Correction: EULA does hold up in court.
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Right.... because a top notch player could never change his style or mix those things up just to take advantage of the bot (I said that sacastically, in case you weren't sure). In fact, I think that may be one of the bots biggest weaknesses.
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Old 11-21-04, 11:33 PM
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This is all scary, I think more so for someone like me who plays very tight to begin with. I haven't played at Party much, but there are sure alot of questions that seem to go to the very core of the serious issues of internet poker.
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Old 11-30-04, 09:00 PM
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if you were wondering, i am really a bot.
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It only plays as well as you program it to, and according ti WinHE, there is no secret formula.
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Old 12-01-04, 01:33 PM
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i think that in time a bot could be programmed well enough to beat the best players. i dont think that time has come, but i assume that it will at some point. right now they have to basically play by the book, but i would assume that at some point they will be programmable so that they adapt to game conditions and can switch gears according to the feel of the table.

i am much more concerned about the privacy issues of party taking screenshots and presumably exporting them to some database of theirs. not that i really have anything that is that important or confidential on my computer, but it is just something that really bothers me with its possible implications.
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