Brians Downfall (i knew it would happen)

[Gutzz]

Well this's indeed good news. I couldn't understand why you initially turned down chips help/tips/advice. If he offered it to me, I'd cream.

Cheers,

Gutzz

[BrianSwa]

thats good just as long as you dont cream near me, yea ill take chip's advice happily guess just didnt want to think I was doing anything wrong. The amount of books ive read and charts and graphs ive studied guess I was to proud to accept any advice. BUT im over that now so yes id gladley take it just give me a week or so to log the hands then ill mail them to you. You can mail someone through this site am I correct?

[Gutzz]

I promise nothing!

Gutzz

[drewjax]

One book that I'm sure most of you have read, and if not you should, is "Internet Texas Hold'em". The book is good overall, although can be a slow read at times. Anyway, the author talks about this in detail. He is very conservative in regards to bankroll, and when to move up. Although I havent followed the advise to the letter of the law it is still good advise. My amended strategy/advise is this. You of course must buy in for enough at a table at any given time. I posted a thread awhile back asking exactly this, but I knew what my thoughts were. TP, among others, agreed that you should probably buy in for a set amount. I usually buy in for 50 times the big bet (I also posted a thread about BB; is it big bet or big blind?). Anyway, I just moved up to 1/2, and I buy in always for $100. This is standard of course and it doesnt matter as long as you are somewhat in the ballpark. The real major factor is how much of your total bankroll is your buy in stack!! This is crucial. I always, always must have at least 3x my normal buy in in my total bankroll. It is easy to lose a buy in stack in one sitting. I think we all know that now. In my mind, hey you may lose one of your stacks. You can still continue at that level, next day or whatever. If you are getting down to being close to losing the second stack (or middle third of your entire bankroll if you like), then its time to get the F out and move back down a level. I just looked at the book and it suggests that to move up to 3/6 you should have $1800 in your bankroll!! Of course that may be a bit too much, but to never risk going broke?? I think this strategy doesnt make you wait too long to move up, but gives you outs as we all like to say (Mike McD. lol). The point that most people were making was very valid. Take is slow brother!!
GL

[Aequitas58]

You buy into a $1/2 (Limit?) game w/ $100. Your bankroll is usually 3xbuyin, so 3x$100=$300.

Wow. $300 to play $1/2? Amazing.

You say: "It's easy to lose a buyin stack at one sitting."

Look. If you lose $100 playing $1/2 at one sitting, quit poker.

[BrianSwa]

how come is it lou that everyone has something constructive to say then you come in with your like 1-3 liner insults. Im starting to think jackass man might be onto something when he posts about you, I respect you as a poker player but your attitude needs some major adjustment. But hey we are talking to the great and powerful Lou who would never lose a whole stack in a sitting right?

[BlibbityBlabbity]

In this (bankroll, BB/hour, etc) context BB is a Big Bet. At a $1/$2 table the Big Bet is $2.

300x BB (Big Bet) in a $1/$2 game = $600 (or 6 buyins). That seems to be standard. Again, this is highly dependent on whether you have more money somewhere if you run out.

I would not say it is EASY to loose a buyin at $1/$2 but it is possible. Depends on the site (quality of players, table selection possibilities, etc). I don't think waiting till you are down half your bankroll is a good idea. Before you are out that first $100 you should have a pretty good idea if you are being outplayed, just getting bad cards, or both. I would not suggest buying in again without looking over your hand histories and trying to figure out what you did wrong. You would likely be playing scared not wanting to repeat the loss and even the next day, I would think it hard to play your best game having lost 1/3 your bankroll the day before.

[Aequitas58]

Retard.

I wasn't even replying to you. I was talking about someone else's buyin requirement for a $1/2 LHE game. $100 is excessive. By those requirements, he buys into a $2/4 game w/ $200. What? If you bought into a $2/4 game w/ $200 at the casino, you would be laughed at.

If you're an overly-aggressive player, then you'll need alot of ammo. But you're not that player. Shit, you don't raise pre-flop!

And I will CONTINUE to support the notion that if you lose $100 at a $1/2 game, you REALLY need to reevaluate what the hell you're doing so wrong. I fully understand downswings, but c'mon: 50BB in one sitting... at LIMIT? LOL. Sometimes you just gotta tell yourself, "Take up chess."

The reason I didn't reply to this thread is because you seem surprised you lost. "Oh i lost all my money i dont understand it (i knew it would happen) these players suck, they hit all their draws."

Yet...again, you don't like to pre-flop raise. What do you expect to happen when you play the wrong way?

I also find it funny that you want to deposit - what was it - $300? And play $2/4 or $3/6. Good luck, buddy. Can't wait for those bad beat stories.

And finally, don't get snippy w/ me. I've eased up a bit on pointing out the stupidity of your posts. You still can't spell, use correct grammar, or understand anything about sentence structure. Maybe you should be a poker dealer.

[BrianSwa]

im done on here you have completley ruined this forum for me and im sure thats why alot of people dont come around here anymore also. You played with me for 30 minutes you have no idea how I play, I actully raise alot pre-flop and I really could care less what you think because I would never take advice from someone like you. But hey you win buddie ill find another forum where the people are nicer, everyone on here is cool as hell except for you but all it takes is one to ruin a forum and I guess your that one here. Have fun dont see you being around here to long anyway moron. bye.

[Gutzz]

Noooo, if you leave then you'll make baby jesus cry .

You can't leave now, man. There's so much more poker to talk about.

Cheers,

Gutzz

PS. That post by Lou was pretty harsh. It stung me!

[BrianSwa]

I just e-mailed TP regarding it if there is some way I can block his posts then ill be happy to stay since I enjoy talking to you all. BTW ive made 3 dollars in a .05/.10 game yippie hehehe, its a start im trying to apply everything you all talked about raising in position and all. Im actully suprised it works in this low level but ive chased some people out of pots they would of won. Thanks again guys for all the help, the fact of the matter is even though Lou conciders me a fish I dont, true im not winning player online but im getting better every time I play and I see improvment in my play. Just like Chip says there are holes to be filled in my game, maybe a little and maybe alot. Lou making people feel like shit because they make a play mistake isnt helping them improve at all and a forum in my eyes is supposed to be here to help you.

[rchamberlin]

Brian,

In your UserCP on the left side there is a link that says "Manage Buddy/Ignore Lists". You can click on that and enter peoples names and their posts will be blocked when you read a thread. You can still see that they posted, just not the post. It does get a little wierd when someone replies to them, and you're like WTF are they talking about, but at least you don't have to read posts you don't want to.

As far as what's happening with you, here's what I think. Please note I don't know you, have never seen you play or anything. I'm just going on what I've read here because some of it is similar to what I went through/am going through.

It sounds to me like you're extremely results-driven. In addition, it sounds like you're looking to get rich quick. This is a problem that I REALLY struggle with. It's hard to see all of these people with multiple thousands of dollars in their bankroll, and you've got $100. It's just natural to want to get up to their level as quickly as possible. I have to fight myself daily to not try a higher level than my bankroll can handle, just because I think today is my day and I'm going to make a killing. It doesn't happen that way.

Some of the best advice I've been given involves thinking in terms of big bets/100 hands. Winning a $2.50 pot at $.50/$1.00 doesn't really excite me too much. But that's 1.5 big bets in one hand. Looking at it that way makes it seem much more significant. It's hard to do, but once that part of it sinks in, at least for me, I've noticed that poker is much more gratifying.

Again, I don't know much about you or your play. It just looks like your situation is alot like mine up until VERY recently.

[Aequitas58]

We've heard this before.

[Aequitas58]

Let's see what brought this up.

1. You complain to others how you lost.
2. People give you comments, you go back and forth with some people...
3. I comment on someone else's buyin for a $1/2 game.
4. I guess you think, at this point, I'm making fun of you?
5. You get cocky w/ me.
6. I come right back at you.
7. "You're done."
8. No wait - you're not.

I have no problems leaving you alone... and I WAS leaving you alone for the last week. Don't be an asshole to me and then expect me to take it. I will reply, and it will be more harsh than you expect.

G'luck w/ the block feature.

LOL.

[BrianSwa]

thanks for the comments and letting me know about the block feature, it will solve alot of problems. Totally agree with you, thanks again.

[2Tone]

Brian, it may seem a little hypocritical of me to say as I’m posting so often, and especially heading into this weekend, but is it possible you are playing (gasp) too much poker? How many hours are you logging a day? How many days a week are you playing? Especially with online poker, which is always just a few clicks away, I (we?) have to be careful. It’s important to go for a run, go see a movie, walk the dog, whatever, and not think about anything gambling-related for large portions of every day …

[BrianSwa]

I play about 6 hours m-f my weekends are spent playing with my kids, I do play alot I agree, it will be cut down next month when I start working 3 doubles a week. Want to get better at this so I do log alot of hands 6 hours at 3-4 tables

[Talking Poker]

I'm waaaaaaay late on getting into this thread, but I will comment on a few things I read along the way (each of these could be it's own discussion):

1. Stack and bankroll are not the same thing. We should all try to be more xlear which one we are talking about. If your bankroll is $300, you should NOT be playing $3/$6. $1/$2 would probably be ok, but any pro will tell you that you should be playing $.50/$1. (300 BBs). As for your stack, sit with whatever you like. I always chose the default, but to each their own.

2. It is very possible to lose 50 BBs in one session (especialy if you are multi-tabling), an that doesn't mean you are an idiot or should quit poker. Aeq thinks he has all the answers, but he doesn't. Which brings us to #3...

3. Don't let Lou's attitude problem ruin this forum for you (Thank you rchamberlin for posting the instructions on how to block someone). Just ignore him, and enjoy the constructive criticism and feedback offered by literally everyone else who has posted in this thread.

Hang in there, Brian. Talk with ChipFish. Find and plug those leaks... and don't get over your head with regard to your bankroll.

[BrianSwa]

yes im very very happy with 99.0% of the help ive recieved from this thread and glad I started it and since then ive started to see improvement in my play. Not alot because its only been a day of course but just a tiny bit, yes I plan on taking all the help from chipfish that I can and im very grateful that he offered. I wont let Lou kill this forum for me because besides him this is best forum ive ever been involved in. Ive said it before but ill say it again thanks everyone for wiseing me up to how I was screwing up and chipfish Ill have those hands by tommorrow im mult-tableing 4x .05/.10 so should have couple hundred by tommorrow.

[BrianSwa]

chip I got those hands ready whenever you are just need your email to forward them to you?

[drewjax]

Exactly the points I made. I was saying you should have at least that much. Pros say you should have more. Mattew Hilger who wrote that book, states you should have about $500 to be at .50/1, and $800 to be at 1/2. Again this may be very conservative but, this will basically eliminate the risk of losing your entire bankroll to a terrible downswing at the outset of moving up a level. I waited until I could consolidate $400 until I moved up to 1/2. I think you should have at least 3 stacks (or buy-ins), in your total bankroll, before you move up. As you say, TP this may not even be enough for SD, but I think it is realistic seeing how much we all want to move up as quickly as possible. And the point of buying into a 1/2 game as 'amazing', and you would be laughed at in a casino for this, is just stupid. This is absolutely standard, so Aeq, you lost me here. Little too much booze Thursday night? What would you buy into a 1/2 game for? $7 because you could never possibly lose like all the bad players out there. Cmon now Aeq., get a grip.

[ChipFish]

[BrianSwa]

hey sent the hands thanks alot chip

[ChipFish]

Just glanced through them.... haven't really looked at them and already noticed some things. I will PM you on the weekend, and you can take another look and see if you agree with me.

[Talking Poker]

If Brian is cool with it, I think you should post some of them here - at least the more obvious things you are noticing. Then we can all learn from it.

Again, only if Brian is cool with this.