wcoop

JDMcNugent7 · #1 09-11-06, 11:51 PM

whos playing?

im seirously considering not playing.

can anyone come up with any good reasons why i should? ( i Think i want to play, and looking for an excuse to.)
- i just dont like dropping so much on a tourny i prob wont even cash.

MAYHEM45 · #2 09-11-06, 11:57 PM

Im considering not playing as well. 50BBs to start is a fucking joke.

eejit101 · #3 09-12-06, 12:08 AM

didnt know of a tourney you havent won in

im considering sattying my ass of for it...just debating as to having $2,600 T$, or a 1 time shot at 1mil

omahilo · #4 09-12-06, 12:35 AM

I would play... if you can go on a magical run, your talking about life changing money that you can win.

Of course you already have 100K so I guess its not a big deal for you.

Talking Poker · #5 09-12-06, 12:54 AM

I'l likely play in a couple of events. I'll be at the Borgata when it starts, so the first even I might play in won't be until halfway through the WCOOP. The only way I'll play in the Main Event is if I score big at the Borgata. The small events are reasonable buy ins though.

Is it really only 50 BB to start? That's freaking weak, unless the blinds move up crazy slow.

ChipFish · #6 09-12-06, 05:32 AM

Ummm. I don't get it. Mainevent in the WCOOP is 10000 chips 25/50 blinds to start and 30 minute levels.
The first No limit holdem event (Event #2) has 2500 chips to start, and 10/20 blinds to start also with 30 minute levels.

Where exactly are you coming up with 50BBs to start?
Maybe I'm missing something?

MAYHEM45 · #7 09-12-06, 05:39 AM

25/50 to start.

EDIT: oh crap, they must have listened to the bitching. Looks like im in for at least event 2.

2nd EDIT: I really like the new ante structure as well. Stealy stealy...

johnp158 · #8 09-12-06, 10:03 AM

I'm pretty sure they listened to player requests and changed at least one of the badly-structured ones.

Talking Poker · #9 09-12-06, 01:28 PM

Damn... that sounds great to me. Long tourney, but for a once a year Main Event, it should be.

Boobie Lover · #10 09-12-06, 02:29 PM

I'm fairly certain your average hourly rate would be higher just playing 10/20 and 5/10 NL than to play all but the main event, and that is probably even a little high even for your bankroll. If you were to play, you would probably have to sattellite into which would most definately decrease it below your hourly rate of just playing cash games.

MAYHEM45 · #11 09-12-06, 03:08 PM

Yeah but can you win a sweet bracelet in the cash games?

Talking Poker · #12 09-12-06, 04:28 PM

I don't think it's fair to compare one's hourly rate from cash games to tourneys. MOST of the time in tourneys, you end up logging a losing session... but those very few times you go deep have a way of significantly changing your totals.

Boobie Lover · #13 09-12-06, 04:42 PM

I don't understand this logic. I've had big losing/winning sessions in cash games before, and that affects my short term hourly rate but I can figure out my long term hourly rate after say 100K hands. The same should be true for tourneys right? Why bother playing in an eight hour tournament where you expect to make $1500 on average when you can play for eight hours and expect to make $4K on average if you play cash games?

JDMcNugent7 · #14 09-12-06, 04:59 PM

hmm i dn wut im gonna do but i think im leaning towards playing them actually.
i mean ya the hourly is probably worse, but its once a year and it should be kinda fun.
also, im buying directly in as i think thats the best use of my $.

Talking Poker · #15 09-12-06, 07:52 PM

I guess I don't feel that I - or anyone, really - can possibly have a big enough MTT sample size (Have you played 100,000 MTTs? Have you even played in 10,000?) to know what their true hourly rate is.

Take Jamie Gold... if he's played in 10 big tourneys (and I don't think he has), do you really think it's fair to say that he is averaging winning $1.2 million per tourney he plays in? Of course not.

With a given cash game, the most you can win or lose is $x over 8 hours. Just for fun, let's say you're playing $5/$10 NL and that number is, I dunno... $10k. Now, with a $10k tourney, the most you can lose is once again $10k, but you could win (depends on the tourney) millions.

It's just apples and oranges.

Quint · #16 09-12-06, 11:33 PM

If this were true would any of the successful big time cash players play tourneys? Or would they just follow the circuit and wear out the players that bust out of the tourney in cash games?

the thing about these huge tourneys, live or online, is that just one win, or even one final table, skew your average enough to make playing in them +EV.