What Constitutes a Bad Beat?

[SirFWALGMan]

I am interested in people's opinions on what consititutes a bad beat. I think people have many idea's of what this could be. Here are some things I hear:

1. My AJ flopped AAJ and was beaten on the river by AK.
2. The guy hit his gutshot on the river
3. He got his 1 outer on the river

Here is what I think a really bad beat is comprised of:

1. You must be favored by ALOT pre-flop. Like AA vs 72o or something stupid like that.
2. You have to play your hand right. If you did not raise your aces pre-flop, and 72o is the button and the flop is 772, then too bad. You would not have been beaten at all if you raised like you were supposed to. Stop trying to be such a fancy pants!
3. You need to lose some money here. I mean how bad of a beat could it really have been if you only lost five bucks in a 3/6 game? At least get bubbled out of the tourney or something.

Just some thoughts I had on the subject. Anyone want to add anything?

[BrianSwa]

A bad beat is when someone hits a one or 2 outer it is not someone hitting the straight or the flush. AA vs KK flop is AK and someone hits the king on ther river that is a bad beat!!!!!!

[Defendant]

How about AQ against AJ and AJ hitting the jack on the river

Defendant

[jdiana86]

I think a bad beat is when you are anywhere from a 90-99% favorite to win a hand, and the longshot comes through and you get shafted.

[BrianSwa]

well preflop AQ is only like 60-40 but after flop its around 80-20 so yea it sucks.

[Kidd7138]

A bad beat to me is when someone catches a 5-6 or less outer on the river, or runner runners a hand. This is compounded if A. you played a great hand, or B. your opponent had no business being in the hand or calling bets after the flop/turn.

[Gutzz]

Well, I think a bad beat in limit isn't so much like a NL bad beat.

I mean sure odds are odds, but in NL you're meant to be able to protect your hands. So losing a 5 outer when the guy is only getting 2:1 on his money imho hurts way more than in limit where they're often getting much better pot odds.

Yes, I just lost to a 5 outer when someone was getting 1.8:1 on his money... I love this game .

Cheers,

Gutzz

[hackers238]

Yeah, I think a bad beat in NL pretty much requires you being all in while being ahead by a considerable margin, and then losing. Otherwise you had time to fold before showdown where you recieved the bad beat.

But in Limit, any time you had the by far best hand and pushed as hard as you could and someone catches a draw which they statistically should have folded its a bad beat.

[eddo31]

i think that you can only whine about a bad beat when you played the hand right. i am not saying you have to play it perfectly, because that isnt really always possible, but you cant bitch and moan when you lket someone stay in a hand and then they hit it.

for the beat itself, i think that you have to be at least a 5:1 favorite after the turn. i dont think that getting outdrawn by a flush draw or outside straight draw is considered a bad beat, because those players probably had the odds to make the calls at the end.

[hackers238]

Yeah, I don't think that flush or straight draws should count either, because thats what they are, draws. They're meant to hit once in a while.

But when people have bottom pair and hold it to the river and end up hitting some two pair with their other low card, or even hitting trips, that's a bad beat.

[SirFWALGMan]

Then you will agree my beat was BAAAAAAAAAAD!

[BrianSwa]

thats like 5 outs to make there hand depending on the pot odds sometimes its ok to run that to river.