When are you pot comitted?

[bigjohnstud2o]

For me it is NEVER. I seem to think this is used as an excuse for bad players who want to get out of the hand with a lucky draw. When you know you are probably beat why call? Pot comitted to me is used way too much. Notice i said only when you are fairly sure you are beat. Flame away



SOMEONE MOVE THIS TO GENERAL>SORRY>FOR SOME REASON I ALWAYS POST IN WRONG SECTION. I GUESS IM THINKING OF SOMETHING AND HAVE TO HURRY LOL

[PShabi]

I agree. Never.

[eddo31]

i think that there can be times when you are pot committed, but they do occur rarely. i think that if you miss a draw, or something like that, you can always fold, but if you hit anything, even if it is bottom pair, or something similar to that, and you are getting 20 to 1 or more, then you should call. i know that it seems like bad play, but you only have to win these hands very rarely for it to be profitable.

i agree with you though that people use the term pot committed far too often.

[jimmytheg]

depends on limit or no limit....in limit there are many times when you have to call a river bet even if you are sure you will lose 9 times out of 10,if you are getting more than 10 to 1 on your money

in no limit, there are many instances where you can be pot committed preflop, especially late in a tournament with a short stack.Late in a tourney if you make a raise for around 75% of your stack, you are gonna have to call a reraise with basically anything. Im talking when the blinds and antes will eat you up in a round or two if you fold.

[SirFWALGMan]

I would only think I was Pot Commited when in the later ends of a tourney, and if I fold, I will be blinded out that orbit. Becoming crippled because you fold or taking a small percentage shot I think I take the shot.

I do not think there is any hand you cannot walk away from though, no matter how much you have put in.

[2Tone]

While this can be used an excuse for failing to lay down a hand you should, I do think you have to make an exception for NL tournament play. If you are short stacked and need to double up to be in contention for making the money, I do think it is reasonable to stick with a hand you have let go post flop in other circumstances.

[Kidd7138]

The only time I would feel pot committed would be if I was at the point where it would be basically impossible to come back from, like the situations when you'd have to double up 3-4 times just to cover the blinds. As long as you can survive with the stack you have then you're never pot committed. This in NL of course.

[Tilter]

I think I would be pot commited if I feel my hand has a chance to win, and at least over 2/3 of my stacks is in.

[badblood44]

Some good points here.

I think many people force themselves into pot-comitted situations, even when it's not blind related.

If you're going to make a raise at a pot and it's more than 1/3 your stack, you have to realize that a re-raise will pot comitt you.

If I have 9000, raise the blinds which are 500/1000 to 3000 and get re-raised to 6000, it's either all-in or fold here.

There are players who will simply call and then become pot comitted post-flop if they've even marginally hit their hands since the pot odds will dictate the call.

It's a fine line to balance between risk of ruin, pot odds and being pot committed in the late stages of NL tournament play.

[humpty99]

When you've had 40 forty hot wings on .10 cent wing night.

[johnbaker]

to me theres no such thing as pot commit... if i'm on the river and the pot is huge and i KNOW i'm beat, i will only call if the bet is tiny and i want to see what my opponent's exact hand is. other than that... i dont think its ever acceptable to call for commitment.

-JB

[TajaUk]

I must be a shit player coz i sometimes feel pot commited when i have very few chips left to pull out and stand a chance in the tourny.

[jjhooksjj]

I understand the basic point of the post, but poker is all about the long run. There are many instances when calling is correct, even though you suspect that you're probably beat. If you fold every time you think you're beat, you'll allow players to run over you, and take big pots off you. You won't call on the end even though you've put so much in the pot. Many times a call is profitable even though you'll only win the pot one in every four times. It's good to have the best of it and know it, but equally important is protecting your bets.

[drewjax]

I have had problems in the past letting go of hands. One is just that I have a strong starting hand (cant fold the AKs). Or I am pot commited, or as some have suggested, I tell myself that. Lately, I have really trusted my insticts, and folded when I was pretty sure I was beat. sounds easy, but it can be tough. I think in general unless you would be very short stacked in a NL/PL tourney, trust your gut. If you're beat, dont put another cent into the pot.

[Gutzz]

I think that there are huge instances where you gotta make a call you normally wouldn't because of pot odds.

I rarely play in tournaments, but say you have Axo and you're 90 percent certain the guy pushing has a PP below A, and are getting like 3:1 on your money, then you really should call if you can afford to lose the chips(for this instance the other guy would have to be super short stack). Do you guys agree with this?

Also in NL cash games I think there're many instances where you should call on the river. If you suspect that someone's 50 percent likely to do a post oak bluff, and you're getting good pot odds (with a decent hand), then you pretty much have to call.

But I agree that there're many instances where people stupidly commit themselves to a pot. 3 days ago in a cash NL ring game I semi bluffed with a OESD, a short stack pushed and I had to call because of pot odds... he pushed with a garbage hand that held up .

Cheers,

Gutzz

[25or6to4]

the people that talk about being pot commited too much are the same people that use the famous "pot odds" crutch to justify their cagey plays.

if you know you're beat, lay it down. you are not your chip stack.

[Gutzz]

Yeah I know when I first started playing I used it as an excuse to see a showdown... Sooo tough folding good hands

Cheers,

Gutzz