Deals

Zybomb · #1 12-22-05, 03:40 PM

I played in a 31 person Live 100 + 20 (damn thats a big rake) tournament last night... and I took it down!!

One suck out (10's vs K's, flopped a set) 2 races won (AJ vs 88 and 77 vs KQ) along with one or two 60/40's won....and a lot of good poker... thats what I think you need to win a tourny.

Anyway the original prize structure was 1550 for 1st 750 for 2nd 500 for third and 300 for 4th... I had been the chip leader the entire final table. When it got down to 5 people someone brought up restructuring it to give 5th place 200 bucks, taking 150 from first and 50 from 2nd. Everyone agreed, then as the chip leader they looked at me for the final ok..... I kinda felt like I would be being a dick if I said no, so I went along with it.... is it being a dick not to?

It got down to 3 handed, and the low stacked offered a 900 900 800 split which I immediately refused.... we played out and he was eventually eliminated. Down 2 handed, blinds were 2000/4000 with 500 ante. I had 65k and he had 50k.... he offered me a 1200/900 split and I accepted... was this a good deal?

Also whats the standard tipping amount for the dealer?

Talking Poker · #2 12-22-05, 11:06 PM

I would have dealt exactly like you did. I would have oked the 5th place thing, refused the 3 way deal (unless you were short), and accepted the Heads Up deal.

I usually ask the TD what the customary tip is, as it ranges from place to place and depends a lot on if money is being withheld from the prizepool (which is often the case in big tourneys these days).

Windbreaker · #3 12-22-05, 11:21 PM

In my opinion, the first deal with 5 players isn't very fair. First of all, the person that got knocked out in 6th may have played it differently knowing the this was going to be the final deal. Second, the chip leaders at that point not only lose the potential prize money...but also lose the advantage playing wise.

What I mean by that is.....say I'm the chip leader with 40-50% of chips left in play. There's 2 or 3 short stack players left. It's a huge advantage when you can play loose and aggressive. They don't want to get too involved with the chip leader, since they know they can bust out. And no one wants to walk out with nothing as the Bubble Boy.

The second deal offer doesn't look good at all. And the final deal seems really fair. The short stocked maybe could have asked for more....since you guys were pretty close to even anyways.

sjay2k · #4 12-22-05, 11:33 PM

What? That deal SUCKS for you. I'd say no and explain why.

Talking Poker · #5 12-22-05, 11:40 PM

Wow - my bad. When I read this the first time, I thought he said this deal was made when it got down to the final table.

Yeah, at 5 people, I don't like the deal either - not if you had a significant chip lead.

Zybomb · #6 12-22-05, 11:50 PM

Like I said, I didn't particularlly care for it either, but it wasnt a huge issue....I had a chip lead, not a drastically significant one, but a chip lead... with everyone almost immediately agreeing that this was ok though, I kinda felt like it'd be a dick move to be like uh...no (slash I may have everyone gunning for me

) ... another point was the person who brought this up was not the short stack or the 2nd short stack.... he was either 3rd or 2nd in chips

dmopiela · #7 12-23-05, 12:16 AM

The heads up deal was good and fair; it could have gone either way. Nice job refusing the three way, the numbers didn't add up for the chip leader.
The 5th place finisher deal I would have said no to, despite looking like a dick. This is poker and you have to have some degree of ruthlessness. When I play house games with my brother I tell him not to hold back on me because if I can break him I'm going too. If these were guys you normally don't play with and you were playing as well as you were why take money from the paid spots to add an additional spot. Your not being a dick if you say no. Good luck.

wildcard1433 · #8 12-23-05, 12:48 AM

I agree with the heads up and 3 head choices. And if you want to be a nice guy, your choice for the 5th place guy was just that, nice; it wasn't fair for you at all and didn't seem like the best thing to do, but it was nice. If I were ever in your position, I would refute them with a choice of either taking a little from everyone rather than the bulk from you, or you don't agree on the deal. That way, either the others will take back their immediate yes's and side with you, or you will have more of the prize money that you earned as being chip leader.

justluck1010 · #9 12-23-05, 02:19 AM

Cirtainly as chip lead I think it was your call. Of course if you have already agreed to the terms prior to playing, I think it should be unanimouse.

Zybomb · #10 12-23-05, 03:02 AM

Brian...........is that you?

And what's all this about an animated mouse?

justluck1010 · #11 12-23-05, 05:24 AM

Afraid not, its just me, justluck...and sorry about the spelling error.

Talking Poker · #12 12-23-05, 01:53 PM

The problem with this is that it is assuming each player will finished based on their current chip stack, which is not the case. Just because you have the most chips at this point doesn't mean you are going to get first place.

But I still agree that this deal wasn't in Zy's best interest... speaking purely financially, anyway.