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Old 12-02-05, 08:37 PM
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Default Make the right call, but get rivered.

Ok, I(Robbr25 below) took my time, made the right call, but he hit his river.
He had a good amount of outs(10), so opinions, would you have called?
Was the bet on the flop enough? If I had bet more do you think he would have actually folded? (BTW I had given him most of the chips he had, lol I was not on tilt though. I truely thought I had the best hand. And did.)

PokerStars Game #3223083363: Tournament #15701066, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2005/12/02 - 20:27:46 (ET)
Table '15701066 194' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PureRoyalty (8953 in chips)
Seat 2: mookie43 (1820 in chips)
Seat 3: ChocoXFile (2515 in chips)
Seat 4: gunner_78 (1345 in chips)
Seat 5: Phytopath (5545 in chips)
Seat 6: tigerta1 (5370 in chips)
Seat 7: ray_au (6595 in chips)
Seat 8: Robbr25 (6700 in chips)
Seat 9: smith007 (435 in chips) is sitting out
Phytopath: posts small blind 100
tigerta1: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Robbr25 [Kd Jh]
ray_au: calls 200
Robbr25: raises 600 to 800
smith007: folds
PureRoyalty: calls 800
mookie43: folds
ChocoXFile: folds
gunner_78: folds
Phytopath: folds
tigerta1: folds
ray_au: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8h 4s]
ray_au: checks
Robbr25: bets 1600
PureRoyalty: folds
ray_au: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [Ks 8h 4s] [4h]
ray_au: bets 4195 and is all-in
Robbr25: calls 4195
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8h 4s 4h] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ray_au: shows [8s As] (a flush, Ace high)
Robbr25: shows [Kd Jh] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
ray_au collected 14290 from pot
Robbr25 said, "nice fish"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14290 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 8h 4s 4h Ts]
Seat 1: PureRoyalty folded on the Flop
Seat 2: mookie43 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChocoXFile folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: gunner_78 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Phytopath (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: tigerta1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: ray_au showed [8s As] and won (14290) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 8: Robbr25 showed [Kd Jh] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 9: smith007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 12-02-05, 08:45 PM
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13 outs forgot the A's
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Old 12-02-05, 09:05 PM
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You got him to put his money in as an underdog, not much else you can do. I can't do the math because I suck, but according to CardPlayer's odds calculator, you were a slight underdog on the flop, but 68.2%-31.8% when the money went in.

The only thing I can think of is raise more pre-flop, you raised about 4x the big blind, maybe 6x, but that is kind of big compared to your stack like about a 5th of it. Personally I probably would have raised it about the same.

On the flop, you bet just about the pot (1600 into 1900 I think but it might of been 1600/1600 my math sucks) so I don't really see you betting more than that. I kind of understand his call with middle pair and nut flush draw though.

On the turn when he went all in, my bet is that he was just trying to take the pot and figured that if he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar he had a decent amount of outs, but then again he probably thought he actually had the best hand.

Pretty much just bad luck.

Sorry if this analysis isn't that clear or all that good, its my first real analysis of someone elses situation so if some more seasoned person wants to clean it up and add their opinion I would appreciate it, I run into this situation a lot too. I wouldn't go applying my advice or anything like that, just something to think about.
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