Well, got what I wanted, but then got rivered.

Robbr25 · #1 10-27-05, 07:31 PM

Yes I know NEVER SLOW PLAY AA

Bad Beat probably cost me 1st, ended up 3rd.

PokerStars Game #2907682702: Tournament #14337931, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/10/27 - 18:18:28 (ET)
Table '14337931 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Robbr25 (4800 in chips)
Seat 2: Sisnje (5560 in chips)
Seat 8: RiverRatt (3140 in chips)
Robbr25: posts the ante 25
Sisnje: posts the ante 25
RiverRatt: posts the ante 25
Robbr25: posts small blind 100
Sisnje: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Robbr25 [Ad Ac]
RiverRatt: raises 600 to 800
Robbr25: calls 700
Sisnje: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td Ah Kh]
Robbr25: checks
RiverRatt: bets 2315 and is all-in
Robbr25: calls 2315
*** TURN *** [Td Ah Kh] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Td Ah Kh 8s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Robbr25: shows [Ad Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
RiverRatt: shows [Kd Qd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
RiverRatt said, "ouch"
RiverRatt collected 6505 from pot
Robbr25 said, "unreal"
RiverRatt said, "sorry"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6505 | Rake 0
Board [Td Ah Kh 8s Js]
Seat 1: Robbr25 (small blind) showed [Ad Ac] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: Sisnje (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: RiverRatt (button) showed [Kd Qd] and won (6505) with a straight, Ten to Ace

BrianSwa · #2 10-27-05, 08:10 PM

I dont see where you slowplayed it at you were both all in on the flop, You basicly had him in the prefect spot and he just got lucky and hit his 4 outer. If you were 3 handed I dont totally hate playing it slow before the flop because you want someone in the pot so the hand pays off. As I see it you got your money in being the big favorite and just had a tough beat.

I dont know if id call this a bad beat though, I concider a bad beat when the person had no reason to be in the hand. He might of actully thought that his hand might be the best hand. Without a preflop raise he might of put you on a maginal hand like JT or QT or something like that. I agree that is a rough beat seeing the hands but I think alot of people might of pushed in thinking KQ was the best hand. I think you both played hand fine and just mark it down as shit happens.

Zybomb · #3 10-27-05, 09:08 PM

This is the first Ive heard of this defination

BrianSwa · #4 10-27-05, 09:14 PM

Its been discussed here before awhile back, Take your hand for example when the guy called your pot sized raise with the gutshot draw. In my opinion thats a bad beat because that guy had no reason to call that bet.

BUT

say you have AA and I have KK, Flop comes out KKA and we both push all in on flop, would you call that a bad beat? I dont think it is we both had reason to be in that hand, both calls were right and it was just unfortanate that I got lucky like that. This is what I think, my opinion. I know this example is pretty far fetched but think you got the point Im trying to make. I mean after the hand would you be mad at me because I made any of those calls?

of how about if the flop was KA2 rainbow and I hit a K on the turn would you have been as pissed as you were with that guy that hit his gutshot? I mean I had less outs in that hand then your guy that hit his gutshot had.

Zybomb · #5 10-27-05, 09:45 PM

Bold

Robbr25 · #6 10-27-05, 10:24 PM

I consider a bad beat losing when you have the best hand by a good margin.
In this case, he only had 4 outs or running KK.
On the river he just had the 4 outs.
I consider it slow playing because I called his preflop raise and checked to him on the flop with the intention of trying to get him all in.
Which is exactly what happened, but he just hit his river card.

Talking Poker · #7 10-27-05, 11:10 PM

A bad beat is when a substantial underdog - WHEN THE MONEY GOES IN - ends up winning the hand.

It has nothing to do with how one plays the hand, who should and shouldn't be in there, etc.

BrianSwa · #8 10-28-05, 08:07 AM

you all make valid points, I stand corrected.

SirFWALGMan · #9 10-29-05, 02:29 AM

So how bad of a % favorite do you need to be to call it a bad beat?

Zybomb · #10 10-29-05, 02:41 AM

Sir, Its hard to say.... if someone is on an up and down straight or flush draw (8 or 9 outs) its shitty, but not a bad beat. If someone is on a gutshot (4 outs) its usually called a bad beat..... if someone is in after the flop with 2 overs (6 outs) its kind of border (i jus consider it a suckout not a bad beat if that makes any sense) So I'd say 4 outs would be the approx. line, which after the flop is 16% (or less obviously) if Im correct?

What do others think?