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Old 10-07-05, 10:35 AM
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$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, October 07, 05:31:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 37693 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Alloutbully ( $85.70 )
Seat 2: PokerApex ( $92.89 )
Seat 3: MONEYTREE808 ( $43.73 )
Seat 4: La_Nicksage ( $118.40 )
Seat 7: FourClover01 ( $119.55 )
Seat 9: malika913 ( $174.95 )
Seat 8: Soapmakers ( $102.25 )
Seat 6: grandmama66 ( $96.50 )
Seat 5: FoSaChys_Sis ( $46.50 )
Seat 10: RivrRatFAFA ( $29 )
RivrRatFAFA posts small blind [$0.50].
Alloutbully posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Soapmakers [ 7d 7h ]
>You have options at Three-Table(482205) Table #1 Table!.
PokerApex folds.
MONEYTREE808 calls [$1].
La_Nicksage folds.
FoSaChys_Sis folds.
grandmama66 folds.
FourClover01 folds.
Soapmakers calls [$1].
>You have options at Three-Table(482205) Table #1 Table!.
>You have options at Three-Table(482205) Table #1 Table!.
malika913 folds.
RivrRatFAFA calls [$0.50].
Alloutbully checks.
>You have options at Three-Table(482205) Table #1 Table!.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Ac, 7s ]
>You have options at Three-Table(482205) Table #1 Table!.
RivrRatFAFA bets [$1].
Alloutbully calls [$1].
MONEYTREE808 calls [$1].
>You have options at Three-Table(482205) Table #1 Table!.
Soapmakers raises [$4].
RivrRatFAFA calls [$3].
Alloutbully calls [$3].
MONEYTREE808 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
RivrRatFAFA checks.
Alloutbully checks.
MONEYTREE808 checks.
Soapmakers bets [$15].
RivrRatFAFA is all-In [$24]
Alloutbully calls [$24].
MONEYTREE808 calls [$24].
Soapmakers calls [$9].

The only options I was given was to call or fold. I understand that the all-in raise by RiverRatFAFA was not double my bet, so it wasn't a "standard" raise, but shouldn't I have been given a chance to make another play, rather than simply calling?
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Old 10-07-05, 11:10 AM
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He actually didn't raise you since it wasn't double the current bet, so as the person who already placed the current bet, you can't re-raise yourself. I believe that the others at the table have the option of "under-raising" (which is an option that popped up at one site once), but you can't since you already bet and were not raised.
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Old 10-07-05, 01:40 PM
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Ignoring the numbers for the time being, if there is no raise after your bet, you are not given the option to raise yourself (obviously). So this becomes a question of what is a raise?

I *thought* that in a tourney, a raise was definied as a full bet $15 in this cash), while in a cash game, a raise only needed to be half of a bet ($7.50 in this case). Obviously I'm wrong about this, based on the option you were (not) given.

I wonder if this is site specific and if a different site would have handled the exact same situation differently.
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I thought the standard of "raise" was defined as equal or greater to the last bet??

player 1 bets $10
Player two rasies $20 to $30 total
Player 3 wants to raise... it has to be at least $20 more (to $50+ total).
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Correct.... but for an all-in situation, I know there are some situations where half of a legal raise opens the action when it comes around again.

I thought so anyway.
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I'm pretty sure that, in limit, half a bet constitutes a raise in this situation. In NL, however, it needs to be a full raise for you to be able to reraise. Don't quote me on that. I don't have time, but look at cardplayer. There are a couple recent articles dealing with this issue.
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That's what it is! Forget my tourney/cash game crap. The difference is limit/no limit.

For me, those kind of go hand in hand, as I usually play NL tourneys and limit cash games.
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