Cheating PokerSites ? - Page 2

ChipFish · #26 07-26-05, 08:10 PM

Hee hee hee good one!

I particularly like this taken directly from the disclaimer at the bottom of the page

While we try to include accurate information on the site, we're not promising you it's accurate. In fact, we're not promising you anything except fun and entertainment.

Hee hee hee rigged!

Good one!

Penguinfan · #27 07-26-05, 08:41 PM

OK, I looked at that out of curiosity simply because if it was possible to do this then the creator would go to his grave with it and not share it with anyone.

This particular guy is not to bright though, plain and simple. He is pretty good at photo editing, I'll give him that. His before and after pictures of Party Poker tables are not bad, except that in photo 1 the action is on seat 6 and seat 1 is waiting to act and they ARE THE ONLY PLAYERS WITH CARDS!!! I his after photo EVERYONE NOW MAGICALLY HAS CARDS.

Damn he is good, he can even expose players hole cards that do not exist!

ChipFish · #28 07-26-05, 08:56 PM

Dammit.... Common sense is sneaking into this thread.
It's Rigged I tell you It's rigged!!!! The sky is falling... err umm I mean it's rigged!

BrianSwa · #29 07-26-05, 09:51 PM

common sense just left the thread.

Talking Poker · #30 07-26-05, 11:57 PM

I'm disqualifying this thread from the Longest Thread of the Month contest because it's so stupid.

Well, maybe not (obviously there is interest in discussing this), but I'm seriously considering it.

Some people here are really making themselves look silly though. There is no conspiracy theory. The world isn't out to get you. Online poker is not rigged.

Not to interject too much more common sense into this ridiculous thread, but............. Data about your cards is sent from the poker site to YOUR computer. Unless someone has hacked into YOUR computer (ie, if they have a video camera over your shoulder), they can't see your cards. The game information simply is not sent out to all players on ome sort of a network and then covered up again on your end. Each player is connected to the poker site via an individual client and server connection (not a network with shared data), despite how it feels. It's just not there, so there's nothing to "hack" or "decrypt" or "decode" or whatever! The same goes for what cards are to come. There is simply no way to figure it out from home.

Any anyone who tells you there is is plain silly, or just messing with you, like the guy who runs the site that's been linked to. I have to tell you though, I'm tempted to steal his idea and make a similar site. Peope fall for the Nigerian Bank scam every day (yes, they really do), so they'll fll for this too. Why? Because they want to. People are always looking for an easy way to make a buck. I refer to these people as "suckers."

Anyhoo, with all that said, does cheating occur online? Of course. All the time. But it's in the form of COLLUSION (teams playing together via AIM, telephone, being in the same room, and yes, even simple computer programs (Remote Desktop) that allow one person to play multiple hands at the same time at the same table - it's not that hard). This is the only type of cheating you need to be aware of, and IMO, it's pretty obvious when you see it, and it's still beatable. In fact, I'll gladly challenge any two of you "poker is rigged" boys to try it. The three of us will sit at one table together, and the two of you have my permission to share hole cards with each other via whatever medium you like. We'll play 100 hands or so and see who comes out ahead...................... and who gets their accounts closed after I report your asses for cheating

nutbag · #31 07-27-05, 12:11 AM

Simple answers to this:

Cheating: Easily done through collusion, happens all the time, but moderately easy for a good player to spot.

Cashout curse: Just silly.

Hand randomizer being cracked: Two words, Planet Poker

The sites have better ones now, but who knows.

Zybomb · #32 07-27-05, 01:14 AM

In my example the guy was making 2400-6400 every day. What do you consider real cash? all I was saying was it was strange, that a player who made decisions like those was up that much money each time I saw him. Was he just getting lucky at every table?

I don't know what happened there or why, but all I know is after watching him for a period of time, there were several other instances against multiple opponents where his decisions would be so strange. And a well respected player who is generally on the tables every night did make a comment. I also know I wont sit down at a table with this guy... for whatever the reason may be

I wont completely discard the possibility, although Im not saying it is so -- people can hack into the FBI, you think your poker site has a tougher system to get into than that?

And Im making the comment and I am far from a losing player. Im up close to $7,500 this year

ChipFish · #33 07-27-05, 01:37 AM

bold

Zybomb · #34 07-27-05, 01:46 AM

"Would you consider "REAL cash" to be found at the 2/4 NL or higher?"

I would consider 2400-6400 dollars a day to be REAL cash, regardless of the limit. If you play 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, you'd be making a minimum of 600,000 dollars a year.

"Does this guy only play when you watch? "

No he plays other times as well, in general the same players play at the same times of day/night, so you see the same faces. I was just saying I noticed his unusually high bankroll at the table, so I just checked some of the others and he had an unusually high amount there too

"A bad player at 2/4 NL???? Say it isn't so. "

There are plenty of them -- there are NOT plenty who are consistantly up that much money though

"I sure hope you're paying taxes on that. I on the other hand have not won a DAMN thing! "

Hmm... good point, I just lost a $7,500 HU game.....back to even I am!

ChipFish · #35 07-27-05, 01:51 AM

LMAO! I bet that same guy got you too!

nutbag · #36 07-27-05, 02:12 AM

Did you guys look at my link in my previous post? I think people should realize that it can happen.

ChipFish · #37 07-27-05, 02:18 AM

I'm well aware of that, as I am sure so are the poker sites...
Which is why it probably won't happen again.

bdawg31 · #38 07-27-05, 10:48 PM

I was playing in a tourney and this one guy hit a very nice flop. This other guy said "So-and-so must have the software that allows you to know what the flop is". A player said "Really?" then the guy who hit the flop went "Yeah, it really helps a lot". So, i jumped in and started going on about how i heard that at least 1/3 of the community has it now - i have been holding off because i like the sport of playing, but i figure i will have to break down and buy it. So, then the dork starts going on about how he doesnt see the fun in it, why dont sites stop it, why dont other people buy it, etc. Me and the 'guy who had the software' (who i never met before) just started ad-libbing this whole conversation about it. It was really funny. Someone chimmed in and tried to tell the sucker that we were yanking his chain - i said "Dont listen to him - he is just saying that because he probably has the software too and doesnt want you to know about his edge".

Then this one hand was classic. An early position player raised and the 'guy with the software' went all-in and the raiser called. The 'software' guy had pocket 7s and the raiser had Ax. Well, they both missed the flop - but the Ax hand ended up winning. Then someone says "Hey software guy, where was that 7 on the flop when you went all-in on?" and i jumped in and said "See, that is the other thing about the software - people dont know how to utilize it. I am sure software guy put the raiser on A-rag - the software told him that the flop would not have an ace, so he figured this was a pretty good chance to push. The software was right on the flop - but couldnt predict the turn and river. That software is being beta-tested right now....blah-blah-blah"

It was fun - helped pass the time.