NL cash player, where does you profit come from?

Penguinfan · #1 10-23-08, 05:36 PM

Been trying to play $50 and $100 cash, 9-handed NL games on FTP recently and my original concept was either way off or I am simply not getting it.

My thought was you sit down and slowly grind your way up hand after hand winning a bunch of small pots adn truely grind it out. What I am finding is there is not much money either won or lost doing this.

I typically end up hovering around my original buy-in until I either double up or get stacked. Is this how it works for you guys?

Example: played last night with just two tables open and $100 at each table, after about 45 mins I had $90 and $97 then I get tripled up on the table I was sitting with $97.

Less than 5 minutes later I get stacked with KK vs AA on the other table. All in all I was up a little less than a buy-in after an hour.

Is this typical, do you make or break your session on one big pot or are grinding out a bunch of small ones?

thrash1294 · #2 10-23-08, 05:52 PM

I use the cris ferguson risk management style ( can be ound on his blog),also tag when doing so.
Seems to work. Double up or go broke. Rinse and repeat.

And you need rakeback

JDMcNugent7 · #3 10-23-08, 06:23 PM

you don't go in looking to either win big or small pots.

you read hands and opponents and make the most profitable play.

some days i can play 1k hands of 6m and get all in pf 50 times, others 5. It just depends on every situation.

Watch CR vids is the best way to understand how to play good poker.

Talking Poker · #4 10-23-08, 07:49 PM

Poker is a combination of many small pots and a few big ones. That's how it works. I'm not sure I understand what your expectation was, but if it's that you would win a bunch of small pots and avoid the big ones (be they winners or losers), that's just not going to happen.

I get the feeling you are still looking at poker as a short term game, and trying to draw conclusions by looking at a few hundred hands or something.

Penguinfan · #5 10-23-08, 08:24 PM

There may be some truth to that, well not the few hundred hands part, but the short term part, maybe.

I guess i do feel like aces should win each time they are dealt and that the best player should win each time he plays a tourney.

I was shocked the first time I found out what OPR was and how high I was ranked (relative to what I thought it would be) and how few times the best players win/cash.

Wes · #6 10-23-08, 08:47 PM

agree with this. although cardrunners sucks. get deucescracked (cheaper, better format, better coaches excluding poker god cts, no drm, no sign up fee) or leggopoker if for some reason you don't like deucescracked.

Kurn · #7 10-23-08, 08:57 PM

Deucescracked is doing NL coaching now? They were originally mainly limit coaches.

Props to JoeTall, et. all at Deucescracked.

Wes · #8 10-23-08, 09:14 PM

yeah they signed up a ton of NL coaches. so they have a bunch of NL videos out and a smattering of videos of other games as well.

herschelw · #9 10-24-08, 12:09 AM

Duecescracked is great from what I have seen.

herschelw · #10 10-24-08, 12:18 AM

In full ring NL cash games most of your money is made from big pots. Unless you're playing at higher limits then it's made at medium sized pots more often because good players rarely stack off.

Invigilator · #11 10-24-08, 04:51 PM

Be clear on the wording people are using though. Most of the posts you win or lose are small pots, but most of the money you win or lose is in the big ones.

Once we get the whole "long term" game thing, we as players need to be mindful of our expectations for an individual sessio, regardless of length. As we react mentally or emotionally we start to play a different game.

It's starting to sound very Taoist.

Reel Deal · #12 10-24-08, 08:14 PM

Primarily, I win money from idiots.

Penguinfan · #13 10-24-08, 10:24 PM

Can I get some of it back please?