4 ALL-IN's and I get knocked out!!!!

[tazmision89]

Blinds are 100/200 w/25 ante. I am in the cutoff position. This is the last hand of level 3 before the break.


1st position raises to 600.
2nd position folds.
3rd position folds.
4th position raises ALL-IN (chip leader)
5th position (me) calls / ALL-IN $2750
6th position (dealer) folds
7th position SB calls / ALL-IN $2250
8th position BB folds

1st position calls / ALL-IN $5200

Main Pot = $9000
1st Side Pot = $1500
2nd Side Pot = $4900


Cards are revealed as follows:

SB shows 8c8s
1st position shows QcQh
4th position shows 10c10h
5th position (me) shows AsQs (I have 13 outs by my count 10 spades and 3 aces that can win me the Main and 1st pot.)

Flop comes 2h,9s,Js (2 spades on the board I now have 4 to the flush)

Turn comes 6c

River comes 10d

4th position wins all 3 pots with a set of 10's.

Thats poker baby!!!!

Not upset at all. I knew before the flop I was in good shape. After the flop I was feeling that the pot was mine. Unfortunately, none of the additional outs came my way.

Oh well. First bad beat in over a week. I will get them next time.

[Kurn]

You had 3 outs after you saw the cards. I'd hate to see what you think constitutes being in bad shape.

Normally I would cringe at calling an all-in from a bigger stack with AQ, even suited, but with your chip position and the blinds going up you're quickly running out of options (I'm assuming this is a multi and you're nowhere near the money).

Not a bad beat, though. A bad beat would be if you flopped the flush, the guy with TT had the Ts and caught runner-runner spades for a straight flush.

[tazmision89]

Let see, I had an over to best the 8's, 10's and Q's with the 2nd best TK you can have. Not to mention you still had a deck full of spades that were in my favor. How could I not be in good shape? Of course I didn't know what everyone had till they showed their hands, but I was confident enough to know that my hand was strong when I made the call. The BB player never big rasied a pot unless he had mid to high pocket pairs (5xBB) and small raised when he was connecting (3xBB) with high suitors or KQ unsuited and moves all-in when he has AA, KK, AK. He made his move because just like me, we were short stacked and needed to make a move before the level ended. The 1st position is tight as hell and only raises the pot when he feels he has the nuts . The chip leader is a loose player always making moves and could have had anything in the hole.


After viewing all of the cards on the table I was a 30% - 33% favorite to win the hand. After the flop that went up higher. I can not see how you can't view it as a favorable hand with my chip stack and being the last hand at that blind level?

Remember, this is a LIVE action game and not online. I had the opportunity to study what my opponents were doing throughout the tourney. If the hand came again, no doubt in my mind I would have done it all over again.

[Talking Poker]

I don't think I would have made that call either. It depends on a lot of things we don't know (like where you are in the tourney).

Your preflop out count is well off though. You had 3 outs, not 13. just because you are soooooooooted doesn't mean you can add the rest of that suit to your count. You're 16:1 to make a flush when you stat with suited cards... that's like a 3% edge. Moral of the story - You were in pretty bad shape, and it could have actually been worse.

With that said, I'm not saying this was a bad play. Sometimes (again, depending on a lot of things) you need to pick a hand and go with it... but it certainly wasn't a bad beat. Even up against the QQ alone, you're a dog. Throw in the TT and the 88 and you're not looking good at all.

[Zybomb]

I agree, unless the blinds were about to do significant damage to you, I dunno if I could of called an all in after a raise and a reraise, holding AQs....you had to figure at least one of them had a pair (and you had no idea that youd get 4 callers, im sure you imagined youd be heads up with the reraiser), so at best you were a flip....if they had AK, QQ,KK, or AA you'd be in real trouble. But under no circumstances could you imagine you were a favorite going into the flop...and you werent...you were a flip against two of the hands and a huge dog against the Qs individually...and probably about 25% in 4 handed.....personally I dont wanna ever CALL an all in knowing Im either behind or a coin flip....I personally dont like ever CALLING knowing Im a flip (both bc I dont like to have my tournament on the line based on a flip...and bc it just seems whenever the flips are meaningful I always come out on the short end of them)....regardless in the long run thats not how you win tournies.

You arent considering your outs correctly either. Yea you had 10 spages left, but you needed 3 of them to land in order to make your flush.....Once two landed after the flop then you had 7 outs (spades) and 3 outs (aces) for 10 total outs because you only needed 1 to land.

Definately not a bad beat because you had the worst hand from start to finish, preflop, flop, turn, river...although after the flop you may have been ahead by a % or two, you still were technically behind in the hand though. Great flop for you though, outside of an ace or an all spade flop you couldnt ask for much more....hope it works better for u next time

[Talking Poker]

You were actually 25% preflop. The QQ was the favorite, obviously. But regardless, at 25%, that means you are going to lose 3 out of 4 times! I don't see how you can consider losing here a bad beat when 75% of the time, you're tourney is going to be over...

[tazmision89]

I still can't see how it's a bad call................ If I had A10 or AJ I would have thrown the hand. But AQ sooooooooooooted (as you said), I gotta like my chances. I would do it all over again. With the 4th or 5th best hand you could possibly get pre-flop..................I still can not see how that was a bad call.

[tazmision89]

WOW!!! Now I definitely feel like an underdog with all the crap I'm getting.................LOL

Oh well. I will conciede to you fine folks and say it was a bad call. But one thing is for sure.................I'm not afraid to gamble!!!!

[Zybomb]

Because after a raise and a reaise (that will cost you all your chips) you have to put your opponent on the following hands.: Any pair, AK,AQs,AJs,A10s (the ace jack and ace 10 are being very generous and only because it was the chip leader so he may be trying to bully the table with a good but not great hand.) So you figure you are at a significant disadvantage if they hold AA,KK,QQ or AK. And you are a flip if they hold any of the 10 pairs 22-JJ. You are at a chop pot if they hold AQ, and you are at an advantage if they tried to bully with AJ or A10. So pretty much theres 17 possible hands (some much less realistic) that your reraiser could hold, 4 of them dominate you, 10 are a flip, 1 you tie with and 2 you have beat....knowing those #s would you still call? Keep in the mind the % of him having a hand that you do have beat are extremely low. Add ontop that you dont know what anyone else is going to do (or what they hold...and if they call they are certainly a favorite over you, as they must have a high pair or AKs at minimum (even that would probably be thrown away) and you also dont know what the original raiser is going to do....with all that said, its a definate lay down

[ChipFish]

You can't call an all-in for all of your chips with A-Q (but it was suited lol)

You said you would fold A-10 or A-J....????
Here is some advice for you A-Q = A-J = A-10 = A-2 when calling an all-in for all of your chips...

Had you had the opportunity to push all your chips in and not have to call them, then perhaps, that would have been correct.

You can't call them off though.

[ChipFish]

I thought you were the professional poker player?
Must have you mixed up with someone else.

[tazmision89]

How is AQ suited a trash hand? If it were unsuited......yes.......suited, I still think it's a very good hand.

[tazmision89]

No need to be confused............ I am who I am and at times people will say that I do play a little carelessly. It's all part of gambling. I play almost every single day (when I am not with my kids). 3 days a week I play in LIVE tourneys and 6 out of 10 times, I bring home cash. Last week alone I brought home over $2,500 in tourney winnings alone. That doesn't include cash games.

I never said I wasn't a risk taker. What many may define as "bad calls", I am willing to risk on. It all part of the game. It's all part of a picture that I am currently painting.

[Aequitas58]

Whatever works. For the record, I didn't bring home $2,500 last week - but it was still a bad call. You're a coinflip at best.

[ChipFish]

60% ITM rate????
I believe that is fairly good...
Maybe I should make the trip out to your neck of the woods.

[omahilo]

this is a blunt answer and it has been said already but...

You see everyones cards... and you see QQ vs AQ and think your in good shape? your drawing to 3 outs... its that simple.

[Zybomb]

Just to clear it up Taz, no one is saying AQ suited is a trash hand. In fact its a very good starting hand...one certainly worth a raise. However when you are put in a situation where you are CALLING for all your chips, AQ suited starts to look a lot worse, and after 2 raises and several other players still to act, it is very very unlikely that it is ahead at the time.

By the way you seem to be overvaluing suited cards.....being suited does make a difference, ie Id play ace rag suited from a good position, but would always fold ace rag unsuited...and I can do this only because I know that unless I flop a flush draw or two pair, I am able to fold if an ace hits if there is any strength shown by other players.... but the suited doesnt improve a hand that much, and for an all in sense, it doesnt really matter more than a few %. If you are calling for all your chips, you dont wanna rely on a flush draw, you wanna think you are ahead at the time, thus the suitedness of the AQ should make only a very little difference in this all in instance