Step 3...

[Talking Poker]

I was going to give this a shot tonight, but a live game popped up, starting at 8:30. It's a tourney, not a cash game, so maybe I'll be home early

Typically though, I last long enough to play every hand with this group of folks and we usually play 2 games. If I get knocked out of the first game early, I'll come home and give Step 3 a try.

To Be Continued.........

[Talking Poker]

I'm kinda tired, but I think I might give this a whirl anyway....

Tourney #233462.

Waiting for 11 more players, and then it's go time!

[BlibbityBlabbity]

GL TP, Finishing up a tourney myself. Ill stop in in a bit

[Talking Poker]

You certainly aren't missing much.

Right now you're missing me waiting for 9 more players.

I am pretty tired. If this thing doesn't start by 1:15 or so, I may wait until tomorrow night.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

15 now,
almost there

[Talking Poker]

Nothing much happening yet.

This table is tight. The HIGHEST VPIP on the table is 24% (through 590 hands).

I haven't really had much to play. 5 players are down. I need to make 9th to get another crack at this Step and 6th to move up to Step 4.

I sure hope I get some cards before the blinds get much higher... 50/100 now, and I'm down to 880 chips.

[Talking Poker]

First break. Down to 12 players now, and things are moving much faster. A lot more chips being thrown around now... It's aggressive, but it's still tight. The highest VPIP at the table is 20%, and we've been playing 6 handed for a while...

I have 890 chips - 2nd shortest stack at the table.

The good news is I'm guaranteed something for my efforts now. I really want to make it to 6th though..... AT LEAST 9th to get another shot at Step 3.

I think I'm going to need to win a coinflip pretty soon here.

[ChipFish]

What happened?
I went for a smoke. Then you were done when I got back.

[Talking Poker]

Well, it only took one more hand. First hand after the break........

200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 9231824) - Thu Feb 03 02:13:45 EST 2005
Table 3rd Step 2-Table(233462) Table 2 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: trygve (785)
Seat 4: UofM4Life1 (2205)
Seat 6: BonoDog22 (1310)
Seat 8: Talking Poker (890)
Seat 9: Picodegallo (2910)
Seat 10: River_h8r (1260)
trygve posts small blind (100)
UofM4Life1 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Talking Poker [ Kd, Ks ]
BonoDog22 raises (425) to 425
Talking Poker raises (890) to 890
Talking Poker is all-In.
Picodegallo folds.
River_h8r folds.
trygve folds.
UofM4Life1 folds.
BonoDog22 calls (465)
Creating Main Pot with $2080 with Talking Poker
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, 6c, 7c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ac ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2080 |
Board: [ Td 6c 7c 5s Ac ]
trygve balance 685, lost 100 (folded)
UofM4Life1 balance 2005, lost 200 (folded)
BonoDog22 balance 2500, bet 890, collected 2080, net +1190 [ Kc As ] [ a pair of aces -- As,Ac,Kc,Td,7c ]
Talking Poker balance 0, lost 890 [ Kd Ks ] [ a pair of kings -- Ac,Kd,Ks,Td,7c ]
Picodegallo balance 2910, didn't bet (folded)
River_h8r balance 1260, didn't bet (folded)

[Talking Poker]

3 outs. That's what happened. I wouldn't expect anything less.

Oh well... there's something to be said for being knocked out when you are a huge favorite.

It was funny, as soon as the cards were turned over, I knew I was dead. Then flop gave me false hope. The turn had me thinking being a 93% favorite is pretty good.... and then came the river.

Stupid river.

[Talking Poker]

What sucks.... is you give me those 2080 chips right there, and I'm cruising to my 6th place finish.

Ok, not crusing, but I'd be liking my chances.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

Wow, bad beat....one of you two better move that to the right section

Agree about losing when you are a huge favorite. Still sucks but at least you know that that is VERY rare outcome.

[Talking Poker]

You haven't watched me play nearly enough poker.

I'm serious. It's rare that I get knocked out with my chips going in and me holding the worst hand. Sure, it happens, but more often than not, I go out as the favorite.

That doesn't really surprise me though. Usually when my chips go in the middle, I'm ahead, so it only stands to reason that for the hands when I get knocked out, that's still the case.

And no, I'm not pulling a Hellmuth here and saying if there was no luck in poker, I'd win every tournament. I'm just saying it is indeed *not* rare for me to get knocked out as a big favorite.

I think my mistake in this tourney was playing a little too tight. I didn't accumulate enough chips earlier on when I should have. I had NOTHING dealt to me in late position, so I figured I'd fold instead of steal for a while and hopefully be able to steal more (higher blinds) later because of it. It was working (they folded to my steals), but I'm pretty sure I left some chips on the table.... Then again, you never know.

[BlibbityBlabbity]

Bad wording on my part maybe.....

The "rare outcome" is that you (or anyone) LOSE(s) with the much better (they have 1-3 outer) hand when all the chips go in. Was not saying it was rare that YOU went in with the best hand, from what I have seen I would agree that is not the case.

I was far to tired earlier this morning to make that kind of jab.

[SirFWALGMan]

Id laugh but I have not stopped crying about last night yet.. lol.

[jillaj]

At least you get another shot at it.

[Talking Poker]

I understand. And poor wording on my reply too.

I guess what I'm saying is for a player who typically has the best hand when his chips go all in, assuming he doesn't win the tourney, he's typically going to have the best hand when he gets knocked out, ya know?

It's logical enough. Say all you ever do is push your chips (against bigger stacks) in when you are an 80% favorite. The chances of you surviving the first all in are good - 4:1 in your favor. The chances of you surviving the second one are the same... but the chances of you surviving BOTH of those is .8 * .8 = 64%. Do it a 3rd time and the chances of you surviving all 3 is now down to .64 * .8 = 51%.

Each time, you're a big favorite, but after just three all ins, when you look at them all together, you're only even money to still be in the tournament.

Obviously this is a very simplified explanation, but I guess what I'm saying is even for a guy who routinely gets his chips in with the goods, chances are he's going to get knocked out (after all, everyone but 1 guy does) - even though he had the best hand when his chips went in the middle.

[Talking Poker]

How do you figure? I finished 12th and got the boot

[PShabi]

He PMed me and said he was going to put up the Step3 buy in for everyone on the board.

Nice guy huh?

[Talking Poker]

What a guy!!!

[bdawg31]

I think i make this mistake as well. I usually play very tight in tourneys, especially early on. But, i have a tough time recognizing when a table is ultra-tight and loosing up a bit and playing a more loose/aggressive style. It sounds like you tried to make that adjustment later on, though. And I am not suggesting switching gears when the blinds are 10/20 or whatever - but maybe a little sooner than i normally would.

[Talking Poker]

My big problem is when I do this and get caught up in some expensive mess or worse yet bust myself out of the tourney, I'm MORE mad at myself for not being patient than I am when I lose with KK and am mad at myself for not being aggressive enough before hand... It's a fine line, ya know?

[PShabi]

Sometime's it's good to hear someone take the words out of your mouth.

I've been experiencing the same thing. No limit drives me crazy.

[jdiana86]

Obviosuly a very tough beat to take...could have been the other way around too