PL Omaha High hand

[jdiana86]

PokerStars Game #14162323260: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/12/28 -
18:19:51 (ET)
Table 'Gretia III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: afcboy ($74.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Hurt50 ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 3: dabek6 ($198.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Euphoria18 ($203.20 in chips)
Seat 5: PowerHausAA ($321.10 in chips)
Seat 6: oceanpier ($146.45 in chips)
Hurt50: posts small blind $1
dabek6: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hurt50 [Ah Ad 2c 4h]
Euphoria18: raises $5 to $7
PowerHausAA: calls $7
oceanpier: folds
afcboy: calls $7
Hurt50: raises $30 to $37
dabek6: folds
Euphoria18: calls $30
PowerHausAA: calls $30
afcboy: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Jh 4d]
Hurt50: bets $57.50 and is all-in
Euphoria18: calls $57.50
PowerHausAA: raises $226.60 to $284.10 and is all-in
Euphoria18: calls $108.70 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9c Jh 4d] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [9c Jh 4d 9s] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Euphoria18: shows [Qh Tc Jc Ts] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
PowerHausAA: mucks hand
Euphoria18 collected $217.40 from side pot
Hurt50: mucks hand
Euphoria18 collected $289.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $509.90 Main pot $289.50. Side pot $217.40. | Rake $3
Board [9c Jh 4d 9s 8h]
Seat 1: afcboy (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Hurt50 (small blind) mucked [Ah Ad 2c 4h]
Seat 3: dabek6 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Euphoria18 showed [Qh Tc Jc Ts] and won ($506.90) with a
straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 5: PowerHausAA mucked [Kc Js 7s Qc]
Seat 6: oceanpier folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[juiCe[3x]]

I'm a pretty new player at omaha but since this is only Omaha High and not H/L, I might have just called preflop because you really don't have a good connecting hand. This would be a great hand for H/L but you only have a pair, only one flush draw, and a low straight preflop. If you just call preflop, you can keep the pot nicely sized so you don't have to lose a lot of your stack when a bad flop comes.

I don't know if this advice is right so maybe a PLO player could help me with my thinking here but generally I like to keep the pot preflop small because so many hands can hit.

[Fildy]

He has aces, he is ahead in the hand preflop so he should be sticking as much money in as he can. Post flop play I don't really like because you are beat by a TON of hands we you don't have much equity left.

[jdiana86]

as far as raising preflop with aces in omaha, u alwasys want to unless u want to limp in early position, and then possibly re raising a preflop player who most likely has kings(which he is misplaying) , also being a short stack u want to raise preflop and hopefully get all in so u can see the turn and river ...I agree pushing in was reckless on the flop, luckily i was actually ahead on the flop and turn

[juiCe[3x]]

But in Omaha you can't have the same thinking as Hold 'em. In Omaha a good drawing hand is better than a hand like pocket aces because you can get outdrawn easily. That is unless you can bet out your other oppenents....

EDIT: Your not raising here, your re-raising. Raising preflop I have no problem with but I think a call of the raise instead of re-raising is better.

[jdiana86]

sure in a holdem pov aces win small pots and lose big ones, but i will take aces any day over a "good drawing hand". not re-raising preflop with aces is just plain dumb.

[Fildy]

You still only play two cards in PLO so mathematically your hand is only behind the two other aces with a better draw. Since we are mathematically ahead we want to put in as much money as we can preflop. Re-Raising is the correct play.

[juiCe[3x]]

Alright, I don't know where I got my logic from but I guess it also depends on the type of players we are playing against. I guess I'm just really passive in PLO compared to the other forms of poker.

[bdawg31]

Agreed. I am also just beginning to dabble with PLO - but when you make that raise, unless you have a table image we are not aware of, you are basically screaming aces (and i am not saying that is good or bad, just fact).

So, when someone bets AND calls in front of you - you have to think you are beat or up against enough monster draws that you are all-but-beat.

[jdiana86]

beat by what?

[jdiana86]

I calculated the odds and I was a 50% favorite before the flop. With the amount of money that was in the pot, I made the right decision moving all-in on the flop.

[de-coder]

I'd love to hear what Kurn has to say about this...