Am I playing wrong level

[jimmym]

Ok here is a question, I love tournament poker, in fact it would be true to say playing in mmt's I can do for hours. Now apart from playing in a couple of $50 NL tournies and Once in the $200 which I happened to place in the $50 once and the $200 the only time my limit is usually around $20.

Every PL Ohmaha I seem to enter I reach final tbl lately, so I was talking to a friend telling him to get away from freerolls and he doubeted that I could even place in top 100 in a freeplay.

So to prove a point I entered a free play today 2000+ pp and trust me this was my first freeplay in over 2 years and a 40fpp sat with over 400 and we sat and had a few smokes talking about oldtimes ect. So in the freeplay I sat out the whole of the first hour much to his amusement, I had 860 left and told him this was enough, 3 hours later there was 100 players left I was in 9 place with 110k chips and sat out the last 1 hour 4 min and finished 3rd. The 40fpp gave 5 seats to the sat 4000 final with 2 wsop seats up for grabs.

So to get to the point of this story, should I really be moving into higher level mmt tournies and focus on serious money and should I take my 4000 fpp and try upto 8 times to win a sng into the sun mil.

b4 you all come down on me I have now reached 57 final tables on pokerstars in multi tournies in the past 2and half years this cant be bad can it?


PokerStars Tournament #48884204, HORSE
Freeroll Super Satellite
2461 players
Target Tournament #48834025
24 tickets to the target tournament

Tournament started - 2007/05/01 - 07:32:00 (ET)

Dear jimmym,

You finished the tournament in 13th place.

You qualified to play in Tournament #48834025 and are automatically registered for it.

If you decide to un-register, a tournament ticket will be issued in your name,
valid for the tournament #48834025.

See Tournament #48834025 Lobby for further details.


PokerStars Tournament #48874536, No Limit Hold'em
Super Satellite
Buy-In: 40 FPP
507 players
Total Prize Pool: $202.80
Target Tournament #48874269 Buy-In: $40.00
5 tickets to the target tournament

Tournament started - 2007/05/01 - 07:30:00 (ET)

Dear jimmym,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
You qualified to play in Tournament #48874269 and are automatically registered for it.

[eejit101]

while thats great, id suggest not buying into an MTT with more than 3% of ur roll.

And why the hell did u sit out last part!!!

[jimmym]

Dont get me wrong, Mtt is the reason why I play poker, now if I had say $3000 why should I not play a $100 I honestly feel at ease playing against decent players (this is not meant, to say all low level players are poor, as we now many high level players are worse) . I just cant see how bankroll should dictate mtt play its totally unlike cash play.

Loook thats why am asking, so I wont disrespect what you say until I hear what others say.
the reason I sat out was to prove to my friend that freeroll was so fucked with 90 percent of players so focused on winning nothing that once you have the target chips sit back and stop spending time on something so intense.

perhaps I hit lucky but I doubt, the 80 percent skill required was used in 2 solid hours play.

[stormswa]

I have absolutley no problem with you hitting up a $100 but I also agree that there should be some sort of bankroll managment when you enter a mtt. I would say 5% should be fine though, only reason is you dont want to put a huge portion of your bankroll in play, be it cash game or mtt.

if you have 3k I cant see a reason why putting $100 in a tourney is not ok. Only thing is if you lose a couple of them have to be able to drop down levels, kinda like cash games. Like say you join 10 and bust out before the money each time. At that point I would like to see you drop down levels.

[Talking Poker]

You HAVE to understand that in order to get deep in a given MTT (including the one last night), you absoultely have to get lucky. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the best of the best can't turn around sick 75%+ ROIs on their MTT buy in money, but I am saying that those same exact players can easily (and I do mean easily) not cash for 10 in a row. That just comes along with the territory.

Tournament players reply on big hits to help them withstand the long droughts in between. If you don't realize that, and think bankroll isn't an issue and think you'll always cash, you're going to be in for a very rude awakening.

[eejit101]

completely agree with TP.

Right now im playing out of my roll, and i know it, and i want to. Im going for a quick hit before i go on holiday, if i lose thenfine, is tarted with $250. But im at $3.3k. Ive been playing all kinds of mad games, $10/$20 , $530 mil's, nightly $162s.

All im gonna say is ive bubbled the last 3 tourneys ive been in, and i wasnt unlucky or lucky, i was palying great, made none or one bad move, but didnt donk off chips. I got unlucky twice, and lost a race once. Thats your roll gone from $3k to $2.5k.

What if the next 2 games your in you get KK vs AA and lose early? Youll then need 2 cashes of decent size to be even, or one biggish hit.

Thats why if i was playing this for some proper acash or a living, id use the3% rule with 100% clarity.


P.S why dont u play sattys to events, and use the T$? build it that way??

[jimmym]

look am not gonna slate any advice given, but I feel cash game players dont have the same mindset and skill to take down a multi tourny, Yes you are successfull at the level you play and prove that with data $ ect, But a good multi tourny player will win in the long run and perhaps show a greater return for the initial outlay than a moderate cash player.

I mean a £100 outlay on a few sites in a multi can win 50k now were do we see that with cash palyers.

This should rile a few.

[eejit101]

hehe thats the thing, ic onsider myself a tourney player

And a $100 outlay intoa tourney...to win $50k youd need to beat nearly 2,000 ppl. Good luck doing that over 30 attempts

[stormswa]

I think you should take the shots like I said in 1st place but to think that you are going to go deep right away is just silly. Sure you could be like eejit and crack a big one but the odds of that are very very VERY slim. Now im not saying you are not a great player but in tournaments luck plays a big factor and it might just not be a real lucky week for you.

to say im going to put 1/10th of my bankroll in this tourney because I know I will cash, well that is just silly. I say if you have 3k and want to throw 100 in a tourney then well that is very reasonable but if your bankroll is 3k and you want to buy into a $1,500 well that is just silly.


whatever you do good luck.

[omahilo]

I think you should do what you do best...

If playing tournaments is your thing, then do it... dont let anyone else tell you what to do. You look like a very solid tournament player who is one big score away from having a legit bankroll. You should just hit the Sunday million satellites IMO.

Play the 3+ rebuys, those are really easy. Also the $11 DS to the sunday million... those are the two easiest ways to qualify for the big one IMO.

Also maybe play some of the WSOP sats as well if your really feeling good and wanting to try your luck in vegas.

[Talking Poker]

For a $1 outlay, you can win $300 million when the Powerball jackpot gets big enough. Screw poker - play the lottery!!!

Hopefully you see my point here. If not, no worries. But any serious poker player (even most so-called tourney experts) will agree that cash games are where the (consistent) money is at. A lot of people prefer tourney play, and that's fine.... but don't think you're good enough to not need a proper bankroll. Thinking you can outplay your opponents is one thing, but thinking you can outplay short term variance (and luck) is just silly.