MTT - The Resteal

[Zybomb]

I hope that one day I'll be a player up to the caliber where I can do what Andrew Black did against Phil Ivey at the 2005 WSOP ME

Ivey with a CO raise with K5s, Black reraises from the SB with A2s because he knows Phily Ivey is stealing. Phil Ivey Reraising again, knowing that Black is thinking that he's stealing and does not have to have a real hand to be reraising him. Black moving all in (and quickly), knowing that Ivey was stealing and thinking that Black thought he was stealing and thats why he reraised, so he made a third raise to portray the image that he wasn't stealing but it was just because he knew that he didn't have to have a real hand (if that last part got confusing IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE)

[Talking Poker]

That was one of the most brilliant poker plays I have ever seen - By both players.... And there is absolutely NO WAY I could do that today. I feel like my (live tourney) game is pretty good, but I can't even fathom making that play. I mean, how could you be SURE???

That alone tells me I have a LOT of room for improvement.

[Defendant]

The biggest factor for the re-resteal is the amount of chips you need to commit to this play. Think about it, the original raise, then the resteal with ~pot+1/2, and then the pot+1/2 AGAIN on top of that. Even if your stack is SUPER deep, this is gonna hurt, and you seem to be running a great chance of finding yourself WAY up shit creek.

[ChipFish]

This is not meant as a shot but,
This is a very good point if you just want to 'make the money'.

[Defendant]

Well, I figure that a lot of times when making the re-resteal, youre looking at pushing over half of your stack into the middle. If I do that, I better be pretty sure I get some return on my investment.

[ChipFish]

How many times do you have to squeeze into the money to equal top 1-4 money?

[Windbreaker]

When you're making the resteal, you're also doing the play with a high probability of taking the hand down uncontested. If you're targetting a player who has a loose raising standard, and you have the table image of a tight aggressive player... there's a high probability you're taking this pot down.

Think about it...if you're at a table and you raise 3x the BB and someone plays back at you for a large portion of their chips. What types of hands are you willing to gamble with in this spot? AA, KK, QQ, AK.....maybe jacks....other than that....you're probably folding this hand.

That's the whole point of the resteal....it's more likely you hold a mediocre to weak hand and will lay the hand down to someone showing strong agression.

[Windbreaker]

I brought this topic up because I watched a fast forward version of one of the online pros at two plus twos complete hand history of one the million guarantees on Stars where he finished 5th.

And he made this play on a few occassions and was able to gain a lot chips at certain points with very poor hands.

As an example,

blinds 400/800, his stack was 31k, opponent M+2 with a stack of 41k raises to 2400. He has K7 suited and is next to act and pops it up to 7200 with two players behind him and two blinds to go through as well.

The opponent had just joined the table about 3 rounds earlier and wouldn't be someone I considered loose aggressive. When I saw him make the play, I was like wow...that's just a play I wouldn't make....but it worked.

Anyways, if anyone is interested...here's a link



you have to sign up to the site to view it...but it's well worth the time.

[jaeh00d]

i remember that hand and being in complete awe, at the play Andrew Black made on Phil Ivey. Black made a great move there, he's seems like a really nice guy, just a tad bit weird.