Anybody play at MansionPoker?

[GeoffM]

That's what I meant from the above.

[GeoffM]

What's really scary is that on 1 hand, there is an open seat, and the other, there isn't. That would mean that the entire hand had been generated, not card by card, before being dealt.

I re-state, is a random hand generator not suppose to randomly assign a hand card-by-card, and not hand-by-hand?

I don't know about you guys, but I don't see how Mansion's generator would pass an audit with this scheme.

[Quint]

I didn't go back and investigate each HH, but it was pointed out in that thread that one of the guys sitting at the full table was sitting out, so both tables were dealt 8 handed.

I think some sites shuffle the deck and set the order of cards before the first card is dealt, as you would in a live game. Other sites (party?) continually shuffle the deck throughout the hand.

Edited to add: If the email correspondance in that thread is genuine then Mansion, at least at first, refused to send the guy the HH from a table he wasn't seated at because "it meant they would have to access the account of one of the players at the table... and that would be a breech of trust with that customer". Either this is a rediculus argument trying to get rid of the guy or they have a serious problem if they can't review/audit their own records fro HH's.

[Talking Poker]

That statement alone is a HUGE red flag. I'll assume it was just them trying to blow the emailer off, but if not - YIKES.I wonder how someone noticed this (the two identical hands) in the first place.

[Quint]

According to the poster, it was his aces cracked by tens. An observer at the table said he had just seen the same hand play out at another (different stakes)table.

I'm sure Mansion viewed it, at least in the begining, as a bad beat complaint.

[Talking Poker]

Did I not just explain this?The RNG shuffles the deck. At that point, the deck is set and it is "dealt" to the players. So to answer your question, no, it's not card by card.

[GeoffM]

So, in theory then, the shuffle of the deck would not matter. As I mentioned above, there were different #s of players playing, so the dude that got pockets aces, should have in theory gotten 1 A and the guy to his left should have gotten the other A. Either that or I'm totally off-base here.

[Talking Poker]

I still haven't followed the link and seen the actual HHs, but someone said that a player was sitting out from the full table, so they both had 8 players dealt into the hand. Therefore, the hand distributions would be identical.

[GeoffM]

My apologies, I just checked the HH again and indeed someone was sitting out.

[Penguinfan]

This is not COMPLETELY true, UltimateBet for example factors other things into the cards that come up, like number of players who call the flop.

Just because you fold A6 at UB and the flop come 669 doesn't mean you should wish you had played the hand, as the cards would have been different if you had called, number of players left is just one of the zillion factors they use to randomize the cards.

[Talking Poker]

Huh? Are saying they continually shuffle the remaining deck throughout the hand, but instead of actually "shuffling," they are using some algorithm that uses variables like how many players are still in the hand? If that's true... YUCK! Why in the world would they do that?

I was saying how Stars does it, which I thought was how most of the major sites do it. I know some burn, but most don't, I don't think.