Should he be reported

[jimmym]

Its Funny in a way.

How some members can defend what JohnStewart done and say its ok Lou has sorted it out, Internet Fraud is serious it usually starts with some spotty faced kid playing a so called prank and then envelopes into this same spotty faced twat ripping who he can off.

Lou must have been worried to know that a little bollock could so easily get into his accounts and I suppose his decision not to report this twat could be looked at in many ways one being the response he may get from his fellow workers once found.

I asked a support member from PokerStars to check out the Ive Been Punkd thread as I was concerned that John_Stewart who is a member from there site may be a Fraudster, Pokerstars have agreed that they are concerened about this guy and are going to make further enquires into his account.

I contacted Chris Connally Chief of Police 501 Faraon St. St. Joseph, MO 64501 (816) 271-4700 by e-mail mailto:jlrothganger@ci.st-joseph.mo.us expressing my concern about this guy and allthough I dont have a home address I pointed out that Pokerstars do have his home address .

So there you have it, Yes I was Pissed offwith this and No I didnt need the bobbys over her to go and get him, it took me 20min of my time to bring to the attention these people of possible Fraudster, I dont care what they do if anything, but this guy is scum and I for one say Ban him now remember it could be you next and do you know what to do like Lou did, I doubt many of us could even start.

[melioris]

Here is the deal. If HES had gone after me, I would have pursued legal action with his local police and I would have had him banned from here. He is clearly a punk and I don’t think he deserves our sympathies. In no way am I defending HES, nor have I ever. But HES didn’t target me, nor did he target Jimmy, he went after Aeq. Therefore it is ultimately up to Aeq to decide the best way to handle this issue. And since Aeq is a lawyer, he probably has experience in situations like this and is acting in the most reasonable manner.

In the “I got Jacked” thread, Aeq explicitly states that he is going to handle the situation. Why would you, Jimmy, feel the need to meddle in the life of a stranger (Aeq)? It is completely disrespectful of Aeq for you to get involved. Did you ever consider that you might not have all the pertinent information? Did you ever consider that by getting involved you might be hurting Aeq chances of getting his money back? Did you ever consider that some wouldn’t want a small-town police officer poking around these threads on police business? Or did these types of considerations go out the window when you made an uninformed decision and took unilateral action?

[GTDawg]

Considering I can't go back to his posts to show what I was talking towards...

He sounded like and even had a few posts pointing towards informing the cops of the situation (which he ultimately did). That's what I was focused on more than HES's actions.

I don't give a rat's ass about HES. Ban him. Aeq can turn him in to the cops. Whatever. I think he did something really stupid and he does deserve no sympathy. I know I would've turned him in.

Even if many people agree, is it really a good idea to discuss openly about whether to turn someone in and ban them from a website that they've spent time at?

What I'm getting at is..even if it is a stupid act and people agree on what should happen...it's not really our place to talk openly and take a poll about it..which I saw as simplifying the situation down to "Hey, who thinks we should can this guy". I just didn't see it adding any substance to the forum other than talking about a situation that is an awful reminder that we are all strangers talking on a random website.

I think it also belittles Aeq's decision. I'm sure it was a very difficult decision and I'm sure there are things about this situation that Aeq would like to put in the past and get on with life.

And, to open a poll about his decision seems as sort of a second guess. It seems quite disrespectful to go around him (a lawyer at that) to make a decision on the situation independent of the person affected.

Yes...we know about the situation. Yes...we would all like to help in any way possible. However, you have to remember that you are reading a random person's words on an internet forum. Sometimes people get overly involved in other people's lives and start making decisions while they forget that it's just some random person that they've only talked to on a website.

I wasn't/wouldn't defend HES. But, I think there should be enough respect put in place to let the people involved deal with it and to keep the forum moving forward.

[jimmym]

Perhaps because I use this forum, play on Pokerstars and had my account breached some time ago and because Pokerstars said it was a family friend or member I belived this and blamed an individual who still protests there innocence, perhaps just perhaps it was this stupid knobhead, perhaps I dont really know and I didnt have the way of finding out because I diddnt know then what I know now.

Perhaps just perhaps this knobhead has tried other members accounts and failed without us knowing, and I feel someone should atleast inform some legal authority about this case even if it means its there for future refrence.

Perhaps I dont agree that letting posssible criminal off because he pays you back is not enough. You wont change my mind and I stick by what ive done and to update you the police in StJoseph have passed the details to the FBI ,I dont care what they do but at least this person will have to think twice now if he wants to continue what hes done in the past.

Am not alone in this look at the poll results 2/3 members agree in reporting this guy. well I have.

[melioris]

You live in the same world as George Bush. Everything is black and white, subtleties and nuances don’t exist, and you should never reflect upon your decisions or actions. Good for you.

[Tony Cheval]

I would have serious issues being on a forum with a known fraud perpetrator.

[Tony Cheval]

[Talking Poker]

Wow... this thread sure has gotten "interesting."

Let me ask you this, jimmy - in the past, people have spoken of underage drinking, drug use, not reporting poker income on their taxes, downloading of copyrighted materials, etc. It's all heresay, of course, since none of us can actually see each other first hand and KNOW what people are doing behind their computer screens.

But I'm just wondering - every time someone links to a torrent site where other forum members can find the latest episode of "Lost" that they missed or "High Stakes Poker," which airs on the Game Show Network that they don't get, do you scribble down their information, track down their local police department and/or pass the information on the the FBI?

I realize you feel very strongly about this, and that's fine... but I agree with mel, here (the George Bush comments and all). It is impossible that you have ALL the information, you've completly disrespected Aeq's wishes, and IMO, you've overstepped your bounds.

Had this happened to me, I would have reported HES, yes. But it didn't. It happened to AEQ, and I respect him enough (barely ) to realize that this is his decision to make, and not mine. I thought this poll was just a simple way of asking whether people thought Aeq should report HES - not you.

I will be banning HES, yes, but again - not until this blows over a bit. If I ban him now, there is a chance he won't even see the latest in this thread and that you've reported him, let alone have a chance to respond. Maybe he doesn't even have the "right" to know that or to respond. I don't know. It's a tricky situation.

[jimmym]

TP..

Am not an overprotective person or vigilante that that frowns or remarks at every criminal offence, I feel though because we are on a poker forum and telling each other how were doing were we play when we play how much we win and lose how much weve just deposited how much bonus ect weve just had ect, and at one stage were we come from how old and when we were born, its just not on for one of our own to try and attempt to steal it.

The points you mention in the first paragraph are all down to us as individuals, if we want to download illegally or not pay taxes we know what to expect if we get caught, what this guy done and then addmitted and then asked for -rep points as a punishment from us is just not on.

I am not sure but I remember about a year and a bit ago someone attempting to hack into someones account again on our forum, I may be wrong. This guy must be reported even if nothing happens because Lou has decided not to report the crime against him. We must cover ourselfs incase it happens again, I feel better knowing that his local force know what he attempted.

Just look at the members respose to his actions, nearly all out date of births have been removed and our cities, am I the only person who is paranoid about this. Am sorry for the poll and misleading members and fuck the FBI seems over the top, but this guy isnt sorry read through his conversation with Lou and since then,,,I dont know what more to say but Sorry this really got to me..


So bloody paranoid ,,deleted everything personal about myself ,,,even my lovely moving fish Avatar

[Tony Cheval]

And there you have it.

[melioris]

Chuck Norris could

[holdemstewart]

Jimmy - Make sure that when you see someone speeding, you dial 911, someone could get hurt if you dont...

[Aequitas58]

Just sat down and got caught up with this thread. Wow, some of your internet people are CRAZY. LOL. I'll give a more detailed explanation of my thoughts probably tomorrow, since this whole weekend is busy for me.

[holdemstewart]

JimmyM, what do you think SJPD is going to do?

1.You werent involved.
2.Lou has to be the one to press charges.
3.YOU dont have the evidence.
4.Stars wont release the information to YOU.

[holdemstewart]

Does this hurt my chances of ever getting a TP hat? jk

[SirFWALGMan]

I would have left this to AEQ. Now lets say he gets arrested. Now Aeq will never see his money again.. I mean why send it to him? He already got busted by the cops..

Anyway.. I hope this does not interfere with Aeq's ability to collect..