In case any one didn't know...

[PShabi]

I see the point of the other side of the argument. But, if that was the only way I could compete, then I'd just rather not play.

JD, TP, etc who buy-in to these frequently:

How do you feel about buying into these tourneys in the future?

[JDMcNugent7]

Ya it gives them an edge, and in turn takes a small edge away from me - but not a huge edge i dont think.
It would be one thing if they could get their 2 accounts together and chip dump them to one account, giving them an obvious advantage, but since this will rarely happen, I really don't think it takes away a large amount of edge from us. Really, its just he has 2 times the chance to win, but it's not like they can see my cards or anything. Sit them at my table and I still feel fairly confident against them.

[Aequitas58]

No, I'm not saying cheating is right... but:

If I ever make serious money at poker like the top professionals, and cheating is the only way to do it, then I'll cheat. Only if, of course, I'm being cheated against. To begin with, this is gambling. Isn't it already morally wrong? If it's not, then who's to judge me and say that cheating is wrong?

Enough arguing about this - nothings going to come of it. I'm just presenting the other side. JJ got jacked for $180k, but he's got more. This isn't going to stop him or the other pros.

[Talking Poker]

I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you here. I understand what you are saying, but I don't buy into it. At all. Especially your suggesting that the only way to make money at poker is by cheating. That's ludricous, and I would think you would know better.

Also, about this notion that "everyone is doing it" - I completely disagree with that too. I'm sure there are people doing it, but none that I know of. When I was in the Bahamas with dozens of the top online pros sitting in the lobby playing in big MTTs, no one was doing this. And no one was even cheating either (sharing cards, etc). Yes, people were playing as teams (5 guys railing one player and giving him advice), but that's completely, 100% different.

[GTDawg]

I don't know if I could ever convince myself that just because others are doing it that it makes it needed.

I'd rather never play poker again than think I needed to cheat like that because everybody else was doing it.

[jillaj]

Here is a question for the moral police. Which do you feel is worse? "Cheating" by playing multiple accounts in the same tourney or doing something that is illegal by the laws of your state and country?

[JDMcNugent7]

cheating by playing multiple accounts is very Obviously against the rules and as long as it is i will Never do it - i dont care how many other ppl are.

The whole poker thing being legal/ illegal is up in the air as I see it. I mean if major companies like Meryl Lynch and wutnot are investing millions into the stock of pokerstars - I don't see how it can technically still be illegal as of right now.

[BDMK]

the former, hands down. it is both illegal and highly immoral.

the latter, by many accounts, is not really illegal, let alone 'immoral'.

[redbank09]

JJ is at the final two tables of the 55 k and is gettin ripped by railbirds. btw fischman won the 109 rebuy bdawg and JD were in.

i postedthis before i saw your post about fischman TP.

[BDMK]

btw, kudos to party in this whole matter.

just wondering if stars will have the gonads to investigate their golden boy?

and im sure this is not one isolated incident. there must be other such multiple acct cheaters among the online poker 'stars' out there...

[Akverno]

I'm suprised that systems don't look into seven stud tourneys and cash games. Imagine the advantage you would have if you had two or three accounts at the same table (cash or tourney). You could see a ridiculous amount of cards compared to the competition and have an edge in every single odds decision. This is the reason why I quit playing cash games during certain times of the day, a long while back I had a decent stack and for a week or two I kept getting this feeling when I was playing cash games that I just couldn't seem to make any money anymore. Then I realized I had built the stack in Alaska where the timezone favors playing against opponents in other countries late at night, and lost a decent chunk of my stack playing seven stud in florida where I ended up playing against american players. After a while of this i realized that some of the people I was seeing at 3/6 (I realize now i was playing outside of my limits) always managed to sit at a table together. I cashed out, didn't have any proof so i didn't report em.

Anyway, I guess the moral of my ramblings is that I'm very, very glad that party took that bastard's money and hopefully it will get filtered to the players who were involved with him. Cheating is wrong, I almost broke a friend's hand when he told me that two years ago he had base dealt while we were playing a friendly five dollar game in a bar. If I ever caught anyone cheating me I would break their hand or thumbs. I would probably end up in jail, but I can't stand cheaters.

[Talking Poker]

I feel better about it now. Hopefully this will make people think twice.