BRAG: TP is a bigger donkey than me

[Zybomb]

This is why I raised the flop -- although, I'll call and then lead the turn a lot also... but what I was trying to say in my original post (unclearly) was that WITH position, I liked a smooth call followed by a turn raise all-in (assuming you bet again OOP) a lot

Oh yea and ...


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[Wes]

Calling with 55 there OOP to a 3bet preflop is very -EV.

[Talking Poker]

Really? I'll call that too a good percentage of the time - always against bad opponents, and rarely against opponents who I think are capable of getting off an overpair. I guezz Zy gives me no respect.

Anyway, where do you draw the line for calling 3 bets OOP then? Roughly...

[Invigilator]

Would it be generally -EV value if it was limit? Implied odds in NL would make this very callable in the right situation (as you have said)

[Talking Poker]

It would be much lower EV in limit than in NL, since the implied odds are a fraction as much as they are in NL.

[Wes]

There are no implied odds if the guy 3bets a lot.

[Invigilator]

Please explain. I understood that the implied odds are in the additional money that can be won if you hit your set. How do you factor in 3 bet frequency?

[MAYHEM45]

If he is 3betting alot he is doing so with much more than high pocket pairs. The implied odds come from getting his whole stack in the middle which wont happen often if his 3betting range is wide, as he wont be connecting with many flops with which he will comfortably get his whole stack in postflop.

[Reel Deal]

I'm sure Zy would say that he puts TP on a wide 3bet range... seeing has how he's a huge donkey and all.