read PT numbers

[Invigilator]

full ring

[eejit101]

weeeee, unless player 2 is me, stack him to fuck every time

[Invigilator]

I had a hell of a time against this dude the other night. I can identify the more extreme ends of the number ranges, but what do you think when you see this on a hand sample of about 150?

VPIP 28
PFR 12
FA 2.52
TA 1.70
RA 2.80

Thank the maker that buddy overplayed an overpair when I floped top set. Until that death blow, he was in the way of almost everything I tried to do.

[stormswa]

he is a lag, just re-raise him with your good hand's preflop. Reraise him preflop with hand like AQ and AJ and other things you normally dont raise with. Re-raise him on your good draws or pairs, most of your re-raise he will fold to. Don't let him draw cheap, make him pay. Be careful of low coordinated boards, 5 9 2 is a safe board except against a lag, that is right in their neiborhood.

also dont always assume he has a hand when he C-bets.

[Invigilator]

Timing was bad then. Everytime I had something, he had something better.

[Talking Poker]

First, I almost entirely disagree with everything Brian said. He's describing how to play against... well.... not this guy.

This guy is basically a good player, but a little bit on the passive side.

Wait - Is this full ring again? I keep forgetting that you don't play 6 max. OK, forget that - in full ring, this guy is too loose. But I still disagree with almost everything Brian wrote.

[stormswa]

why? against a very loose aggressive player you are not going to tighten up and play back at them when you have a hand? so what do you do then just fold and avoid them constantly? its basic that you should always play the opposite of the way the other guy plays. Unless im misreading the numbers but he looks pretty loose aggressive to me. Through only 150 hands those stats are basic loose aggressive numbers.


i mean if im totally off base here please explain why?

[Invigilator]

Oh Yeah, sorry. This is full ring. I tried some 6 max last week and got my head handed to me. I will try again soon.

Does the PFR indicate anything about loosseness, or does that just come from VPIP?

[stormswa]

if someone is raising alot preflop then that means they dont have to have a good hand all the time, or could mean they are just hitting a good run of cards.

alot also depends on what position they are raising it in, you really cant go by just one numer you need to combine the numbers.

if someone NEVER raises preflop then they raise UTG, say they got like a 1 - 1.5 PFR then they raise UTG you can say they most likley have a pretty strong hand. If someone raises from button and they have a high PFR then they might not be that strong. Like everything in poker alot depends on position.

[stormswa]

like I said you need to add numbers together to get a idea.


VP$IP= 31.12
PFR = 15.0

that is what we call loose aggressive, as you see they are running alot of hands and raising alot pre-flop so see the vpip is loose and the pfr shows aggressive. Now that vpip is very very high, that is not a good LAG player but he still is loose aggressive.


vp$ip= 12.2
PFR = 1.0


that is what we call a nit, as you see he dosent enter that many pots and he never raises pre-flop, also his numbers per street should be low also but he could be tight preflop and loose after flop.

vpip= 12.2
PFR= 15.3

that is a TAG player tight aggressive, he is very choosy on hands but plays them aggressive.


again this is just preflop and after the flop the numbers could be totally different. He might be a total nit preflop but then totally change after the flop and become a maniac. You really just cant give us one number and expect us to analize some random player.


as for the example above when you gave us per street number he is a total lag player, no matter what TP says. And like I said you should play the opposite of the way your opponent plays. So you tighten up. Through only 150 hands we can get a idea of his play style but then again he might just be on a rush. You tighten up and play your hands aggressively but I also would like to see you playing back at him once and awhile with hands like AQ suited and stuff because that alot of time will be well ahead of his range. So against him id say selective aggression is the key.