This wacky 'Raymer robbed' story

[eddo31]

i have to assume that anyone who would attempt to rob someone outside a room in the bellagio is somewhat dumb/desperate to begin with, and that they didnt exactly have anything planned out.

they probably expected no resistance when they pulled out the gun, and when raymer resisted at all, they werent going to shoot him, so they split.

dumbasses. they should have at least known that he probably has a box in the poker room for his money. either that, or he busted out in the semi-big game (last time i was there he wasnt playing 4k-8k, he was a step below. probably 2k-4k, but i couldnt see the table limit)

[fonzerelli_79]

one thing i will say, i personally think he was very stupid to fight back someone holding a pistol - he said hes a family man so why is he taking such a risk?. However, (and this is a contridiction - big time - lol !) a big part of me admires him for taking a stand against these a'holes. He didnt let them push him around

im going to vegas for the first time next june - surely the security in the casinos is tight as hell. How did someone get all the way into the hotel with a gun???

[eddo31]

honestly, the security isnt that tight at all. i was at the bellagio two weeks ago, and the only obvious security was for parking my car. there were other security guards around, but it wouldnt have been particularly difficult to sneak something by them. it would have been easy to get a gun in there, unless they have some sort of x-ray scanning device in each entrance, which i doubt.

in the 2+2 thread there is a lot of talk about how casino security isnt nearly as tight as you would think, and they are right. there may be cameras everywhere, but i think that they catch significantly less than you might think. the numerous travel channel shows about catching cheaters are presumably paid for by the caisno industry in order to discourage cheaters, and the cameras may be able to catch everything that goes on, but they surely dont actually catch everything.

[Baseballa19]

Isn't that Terry Benedict's casino? The security looked pretty tight in Ocean's 11!

(it's a joke, I promise!)

[2Tone]

I'm sure it varies, but as a whole, I imagine security is pretty damn tight.

A friend of mine is a pretty good card counter. One trip he overdid it at Mirage, and made $7g before they made him quit. Two years later, with different color hair, he sat down at an MGM blackjack table, and not 10 minutes went by before the pit boss told him he needed to cash out. The good news is he is still welcome to play Craps/Poker or any other game other than blackjack.

[eddo31]

i think that the casinos have a much higher interest in blackjack players, just because the strategies for beating the game are so well known. also, i dont doubt that the casinos have the ability to watch you, it is just that there is so much going on that they cant possibly watch everyone at once. i think that is really a myth propagated by the casino industry in their shows on the travel channel.

plus, the hair color isnt exactly th best disguise around.

[Kidd7138]

That's actually a pretty sweet story. Does anyone else find it at least a little fucked up that casinos can do this? I mean if you're going to open a casino ie a place built solely for gambling, doesn't it stand to reason that you should have to gamble yourself when that 1% of your visitors finds a way to turn the odds around into their favor, especially when its only done in one single game. I can understand where they're coming from, but I just think its messed up that they can say that you can't play their games unless the odds are in their favor. Just sounds like the annoying kid you used to know in elementary school to me.

[eddo31]

it is annoying that the casinos frown on legal activities like card counting. so few people can actually count cards well enough to give them a real edge over the house that it is really an insignificant concern for them. i dont think that you should be allowed to use a team approach to bj, but if a single person wants to count cards then it should be allowed.

i believe that george maloof, the owner of the palms, said that he doesnt care if anyone counts cards there. it provides good advertising for th ecasino, and the economic impact is so minimal that he will overlook it. additionally, they cant bar you from counting cards in atlantic city, but they combat the counters by restricting the maximum bet size for you.

[fonzerelli_79]

how exactly do they know if someone is counting cards - i know the theory behind counting cards but how does the casino company know a counter from someone who is just being lucky

he doesnt nod his head when hes counting does he - lol