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Old 07-01-05, 11:29 PM
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You are missing the point (as per Windbreaker). It all depends on the exact chip counts, but let me give you an extreme example.

Let's say you have 100,000 chips, and the blinds are 1000 and 2000. Let's say the next highest stack at your table has 35,000 chips and the short stack guy has 5000. If he goes all in from the and you are on the BB, that means there are 8000 chips in the pot. Let's assume you are a huige favorite to win the hand if you call (just 3000 more). This is a no brainer, right? Ordinarily, yes, but think about the situation a little bit more. If you call and win (and nothing guarantees you will win), you gain 8000 chips, putting your stack up to 108,000 and now the final table begins.

But.......... if you FOLD, how many chips do you stand to win by bullying the rest of the table until someone is eliminated? You're going to be in the SB next hand with the BB being the short stack (he'll fold when you raise him, so there is 2000 back right there). And then you're on the button. If you keep raising and playing aggressively with your big stack, you probably stand to win a lot more than the 8000 chips we just talked about by the time one player is eliminated and the final table starts. Every single time you steal the blinds, you'll be picking up 3000 chips! And in a bubble situation with you having a massive chiplead, you're going to be able to steal a LOT of blinds. Are you guaranteed more chips than the 8000 you probably would have won with the QQ? Of course not....... but it's quite likely. And keep in mind, you also weren't guaranteed those 8000 chips with the QQ... you very easily could have lost with that hand to Ax, for example.

This is a great topic of discussion. Thinking about the stack sizes really helps illustrate it, but I think there are absolutely times when folding the QQ here would be the best play.

I'm happy to announce that I just learned something.
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