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Old 01-10-08, 02:50 PM
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Default Playing Draws Optimally Multiway

After last nights session, a hand occurred in which similar situations (with mixed results) have occurred multiple times before. I thought about it and realized it's a topic worthy of discussion here

No this isn't a "Zybomb Random Strategy Article" (although I'll offer a little insight), this is more of a question to others in how to deal with this situation.

I've noticed that I have a bit of a dilemma in multiway pots when I flop a draw in LP.

I'll give the specific scenario from last night, and then discuss my dilemma. 5/5 NL, Stacks $1k+. 2 limpers and a PFR of $40 from MP. I call from the CO with A4and both limpers call. The pot now has $170

The flop comes T75 flopping me the nut flush draw, a backdoor wheel draw and an overcard. The first limper checks, but the second limper leads out $90. The PFR calls and the action is to me.

Calling: It seems like an easy call here, getting almost 4:1, but my problem is that if I just call I basically turn my hand over and say I HAVE A DRAW, since almost all made hands I'd likely raise to isolate/protect against the multiway action with this drawy board, or fold... basically my range of calling hands that aren't draws really isn't too large.

Ways to correct this: I suppose I could expand my calling range to include some made hands as well in order to disguise my draws but I'd have to figure this wouldn't be the optimal way to play these hands.

So Im still left with the problem that if I call and the last limper folds and the turn comes X, they are likely gunna check to me.... I could check behind to try and induce river action and disguise my hand (maybe the prefered play here I dunno) or otherwise if I do bet (Im OTB and you checked to me I HAVE to be stealing dont I???) Im likely just going to take it down right there, thus my implied odds for the hand are crushed and Im calling the flop solely on (roughly) breakeven pot odds. Furthermore if the turn blanks and the Original bettor checks, the PFR is gunna fire a huge shell with any two (knowing Im on a draw and assuming the limper isnt that strong) and I'll have to fold.

Raising: It's a solid play here, it disguises my hand and it's certainly how I'd play my made hands as well so it seems good. Of course there's the problem that Im raising a donk bet (from a player who isn't a moron) and a cold call from a PFR (probably not as strong as it may appear given the board and 4 way action but...), Im reopening the betting and there still is the original limper behind me who has yet to act (he'd check most hands here imo). Worse case is Im called and I check behind the turn if I miss for a free card I guess (kind of turning my hand over also but...)

So I guess I kind of solved my own problem here, and it makes raising the right play (although risky) in this spot -- but Im wondering if thats really how to play it a large % of the time...

What if the situation is a little different as in It's been bet and called but there are 3 opponents still to act behind me instead of 1.... now what (makes a raise much riskier)

How the actual hand (this time) played out was I just called, the turn came 8 it checked to me, I bet $175, limper folded and PFR contemplated a minute and eventually folded as well

To recap the situation is that:

- It is multiway action (4+ players)

- We have flopped a drawing hand (straight or flush)

- It has been bet and then called in front of us

- There is at least 1 more opponent left to act

Note that although in this case it was a donk bet followed by a PFR call, a similiar situation would be a PFR bet and then a smooth call in front of you (probably makes raising a riskier play since the PFR could have a strong hand in this instance that in the original instance where he just called the donk bet)... would this affect/change your decision making in a spot like this??

Any and all comments or discussion dealing with this situation or those similar to it is appreciated. Note this isn't a HSIHPT for the specific HH above ... that is simply an example to illustrate the type of situation I am talking about
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