Get the crying towel

Penguinfan · #1 03-20-05, 05:18 PM

Honestly, without going into how some people think on-line poker is rigged (I don't) I would love to know how some of the guys at the top of the tournament leaderboards do it time after time after time and avoid the bad luck that invades my game. I am serious here, you see guys like Teecoy, Kid Blaast, Deeznuts, Gank, etc.. ALWAYS on the leaderboard. Granted the are better than me, but when you are constantly putting you chips in with the best hand and coming out on the short end of it you have to wonder how they avoid the shitty end of the stick more often than not. I posted in the other thread 3 of the rediculous beats I took today (one didn't actually happen to me, but it kept a guy alive on the bubble and I busted out 4th) I did forget to mention the AA vs KK I lost with when the board brought 4 hearts for him though. How do they avoid the bad luck better tham me, honestly I must be missing something because they seem to so it time after time and all I get is a bad beat story.
What could it be?

Talking Poker · #2 03-20-05, 05:23 PM

Quite honestly........ I think it's because these guys are GOOD and they play a lot. They take the same bad beats as everyone else, but they put themselves in a position to be able to absorb the blow if and when it inevitably happens... That, and because of the high number of tourneys they enter, bad luck knocks them out of some, but they are still albe to make it to the top of the Leader Board.

That's my guess. If you want the real answer, ask one of them

omahilo · #3 03-20-05, 05:32 PM

they play alot of tourneys and they also play high buyin tourneys...

High buyin tourneys = more TLB = on the top standings.

Penguinfan · #4 03-20-05, 05:53 PM

I couldn't find the Hand History, but this one sticks out in my mind as one of the most dissapointing recenly only because of how I played it.

AGAIN 4-handed in a SNG and I have 66, UTG folds I raise 3x BB and get called by the BB, flop is JJ5 and he pushed in. I have watched him play through the game and he ALWAYS bets out when he missed the flop and slow plays it when he hits it well, I knew, seriously, I KNEW he didn't have a Jack, there was no doubt in my mind he did not hit the flop based on his prior play. Convinced my 6's were best I called (not hoping my 6's were good, or trying to catch a set, dammit I KNEW they were good) he turns over 7-K and I am about a 75/25 favorite at this point in the hand (I think) and he catches a 7 to bust me out. I could not have played that any better and still got the shitty end of it. That one pissed me off, not because he hit his 6-outer (it happens) but because I played it right and it ended wrong, again. The top guys have to be into vodoo or something, it just doesn't add up.

ChipFish · #5 03-20-05, 06:05 PM

Stack size is important... what were they?

Penguinfan · #6 03-20-05, 06:14 PM

If memory serves I had him outchipped by just a very small amount with both of us being the shorter of the 4 stacks, I want to say something like 2100 for me and 1700 for him with blinds at 200/400.

I am not sure where you are heading with this though, reguardless of the stack sizes I read him perfectly and put my chips in with the better hand and got outdrawn again. If there is something I am missing please enlighten me, it would be appreciated. I have to say you will need to make a compelling argument to get me to lay down what I figure for the best hand just on the fear of being outdrawn, is that what you suggest?

ChipFish · #7 03-20-05, 05:31 PM

Not only are they putting their chips in with the best of it,they are avoiding potential conflicts that could heavily damage their stack.

#1 rule (ahead of get your chips in with the best hand) is "PROTECT YOUR STACK"

#2 Get your chips in with the best hand.
#3 Understand folding equity
#4 Realize at what stage small stacks will call your bets. (avoid or attack)
#5 Stay ahead of the blinds (forget about average stack, it's a meaningless statistic.)
#6 See Rule #1 again.