Follow-up to the pot-committed thread

[Defendant]

Heres a situation for you guys:

NL Holdem

Blinds: 50-100
Your stack: 1200

Middle position, 1 limp in front of you (stacksize: 4000, fairly loose), AQo, raise to 300, all fold to limper, he calls

Flop: 983 rainbow

limper bets 100, you raise 500 on a bluff, limper goes all in.

Now, the pot contains 2150. The call to you at this point is 400, laying you
1-5 potodds. Hitting your draw is 6 outs = 1-8. So by pot odds you should fold here, but if you fold, youre crippled. You HAVE outs left, if you hit, youre back in business. Ergo, you are committed to make a call that by straight pot-odds you should not be making ==> you are pot committed.

Defendant


Edit: He had 77, ace hit on the river, got lucky, but I still believe it was the right call (now, the bluff on the flop is a different story, but the guy has laid down hands in that situation so /shrug)

[ChipFish]

I don't like your bet of 500 chips.

It's either too big, or too small but not just right.
A bet of 250-300 would be better. It would not cripple you but would certainly hurt you if you end up folding to a re-raise.

Or you could have pushed after the flop. (Beat him to it so to say.)
It could have looked to him like you were trying to buy the pot. (hence no all-in)
I really think you should have pushed in here.

I would have pushed.

[ChipFish]

The quicker you get that sentence out of your vocabulary, the better off you'll be. Ask yourself this,... How many times have you actually hit those outs and won the pot? How many times have you lost and been put out of the tourney and/or crippled?

I would expect more losses than wins.

It's a horrible sentence to have because you start to believe it.
A better way of thinking could be how many cards left won't help me in the least?

[Penguinfan]

I like this post, I prefer to go in with the best of it, not behind, especially with only 2 cards to come.

[Defendant]

As I said, the bluff was a horrible play. But due to the bluff I had to call the raise (The bluff crippled me, the call was the logical extension of it). If he had pushed in before me, I would have never called.

Defendant

[ChipFish]

Understood.... But what I am saying is that the bluff should have been all-in or a smaller amount.

Live and learn.

[jjhooksjj]

That's the problem with being short-stacked in tournament poker. If you get short-stacked, you'll end up all-in often times without the best of it, against a big stack who can sit and wait for a hand.