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Strangest Situation -- Your Ruling?
Player A and Player B get it all on a flop of 789. There was some raising and Player B was the last aggressor (and thus the first to show his cards at showdown)
The turn comes T River 7 Player B turns up QQ for a Queen high flush. Player A curses up a storm, rips both cards in half and throws them in the air/at the dealer. The cards float up in the air from being tossed and manage to fall onto the table with all 4 pieces (2 pieces of each card) face UP on the table. Players around the table see a ripped T and a ripped J Player to the left of player A says, bro are you nuts? You have a straight flush! Player B jumps up and states that hell no, his hand is dead Is this considered a tabled hand? A dead hand? Coincidentally all 4 pieces of the cards ended up face up. If you say this hand is tabled (and thus cards speak and a Jack high straight flush is pushed the pot) would your opinion change if one of the four pieces hand gone off the table? Or fell on the table face down?
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Dead hand. He deserves to lose if only for acting like a 2yo.
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Dead hand for cheating, marking the cards
I would say he loses. Regardless I would say he should be kicked out and never allowed back.
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I agree...think it's a dead hand...and the guy beside player A probably shouldn't have said anything.
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Dead hand
There was some good discussion on this elsewhere - I think it has to be a dead hand. You rip up your cards, you forfeit the pot.
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I think we have to separate the two issues here. The hand and the behavior. Clearly, the offender should be kicked out of the room and banned for however long the room chooses. However, I have a problem with denying someone a pot they should win based solely on behavior.
Had the offender's actions changed slightly - say he threw his chair, swore at and threatened the dealer, made a huge scene which ended with him throwing his cards (intact) to the ceiling...had the cards fluttered down and landed face up on the table - cards speak he wins the pot. In this case if the dealer misses the straight flush it IS the responsibility of others at the table to call his attention to the error. I don't know how ripping the cards up substantively changes the above. I will head over to 2+2 and see how the guys who regularly quote Robert's Rules of Poker weigh in on that. Until someone makes a good case otherwise,my decision would be two-part. 1. Ship Player A the pot. 2. Show Player A the door.
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