The Move

Gordogg · #1 07-25-05, 11:42 PM

Does anyone employ "the move" on a regular basis?
The move is having a K or A sooted, flop comes four to your flush. You bet the four flush someone calls. You get the flush on the turn. Check it to your opponent, hopefully he bets into you and you reraise all in. It's a great move. If they fold cool on flop cool, if you hit flush cool. If they call and you don't hit flush on turn, slow down. Suggestions?

Gordogg · #2 07-25-05, 11:42 PM

Sorry. This is NLHE by the way.

Talking Poker · #3 07-25-05, 11:52 PM

I believe this "move" has a name: Check raise

Maybe I'm not following here, but that's what you're saying, right? Check raising the nuts on the turn?

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but I think I just don't understand. This doesn't really seem like much of a move to me. And it's so obvious what you have when you do it, it's not often you'll get paid off. I think a better move is often to just call the turn and then value bet the river. Maybe by then, he'll have a hand good enough that he can call...

BlibbityBlabbity · #4 07-25-05, 11:57 PM

I believe it is a semi-bluff on the flop, followed by a check-raise on the turn....

Both are important plays to know WHEN to use. You have to be "sure" thay will bet on the turn and not re-raise you all in on the flop if they have anything.

Gordogg · #5 07-26-05, 12:00 AM

Not check raise. For instance, say you have AQ spades. You bet pre flop and you get called by one or two players. Flop comes K 7 4 two spades. You bet it hard. All you have is a flush draw. They call your bet. Turn comes another spade. Then you check, they bet into you. Then you reraise big or all in. They either fold or pay you off. It's a good move, deceptive.

Gordogg · #6 07-26-05, 12:02 AM

Blibbity Blabbity has it right. It's a semi bluff. But when you hit you check it, instead of continuing the betting process. I find you get paid off more doing this "move".

Gordogg · #7 07-26-05, 12:07 AM

Well, yes it is check raising the nuts on the turn, but initally you are semi bluffing on the flop. I find this play is profitable because it's hard for them to put you on the nuts when you check raise on the turn. When it's a flush draw.

BlibbityBlabbity · #8 07-26-05, 12:08 AM

ONLY against a certain type of player. A tight player WILL NOT bet without a flush in that spot. Against them you need to bet out.

I have seen a lot more of the opposite "move" where you overbet when a big hand becomes possible. Amazing how many times (given, this is in chump change ranks) people call with anything when someone goes all in when the board pairs aces on the river. You can almost hear them through the computer saying "He CAN'T have AA or he would never bet that much! I call with my two pair!

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All depends on the type of player you are in the hand with.

Talking Poker · #9 07-26-05, 12:36 AM

Deceptive? Are you serious? I think this is probably the most obvious way to play this hand. If I'm the guy who bet when the third flush car hit the board and you raise me all in, no way am I calling unless I have a full house draw (2 pair or a set) and the right odds to do so.

Yes, the best on the flop is technically a semi-bluff, but that early in the hand, I wouldn't even think of it like that. I think of that more on the turn when there is only one card to come. This bet is just playing aggressively (this is a good thing, of course).

ChipFish · #10 07-27-05, 01:16 PM

Nahhhh, Never tried it... Does this really work?

BrianSwa · #11 07-27-05, 01:50 PM

here is another cool move, was wondering if any of you have ever tried it.

say you have AA and the flop comes down AA6 and you check it waiting for your opponents to catch up. Anyone else ever do this? its soooo sneaky.

Talking Poker · #12 07-27-05, 02:02 PM

You are so not allowed to make sarcastic posts like this. I think you have actually POSTED HHs like this in the "How Should I have Played This?" section. Don't make me go find one.

Gordogg · #13 07-27-05, 02:08 PM

My point exactly. Plus he's a douche. "I need someone to play this freeroll for me, chipfish or pshabi, oh nevermind I found someone else to play. OK nevermind, chipfish or pshabi again. "I'm going to play in the HU tourney, no I'm not I'm taking a break." In a day or two we'll see "OK I want to play in the HU, I hope there is still room for me TP." That's why I hope to see him in the first round, because I know he is going to want to play again before Aug. 1st.

ChipFish · #14 07-27-05, 02:10 PM

I voted for Pshabi.

lightfungus · #15 07-27-05, 07:06 PM

In the words of Tony Soprano, "Always with the drama..." I know i saw this on another thread but I've been doing a marathon of the show. Its a classic in my opinion.

junYUN · #16 07-27-05, 08:39 PM

im gonna whoop your ass at TP HU tourny

i am so strong

Gordogg · #17 07-27-05, 02:03 PM

I'll take everyone elses shit but yours Brian. You are a fucking drama queen, bi-polar, schitzofrenic moron. You contribute bullshit 99% of the time and you can't keep your mouth shut here or on the poker tables. I hope I meet you in the first round of the heads up tourney so I can crush your dumb ass.

Talking Poker · #18 07-27-05, 02:09 PM

Easy there.... I love the smack talk part of this post, but the rest is a bit overboard.

Just trying to head things off here before they spin out of control like has happened with other people in the past.

Gordogg · #19 07-27-05, 02:28 PM

Yes I did go overboard. Heat of the moment. He is the last person that should be making those remarks like you said. I remember a hand where you (Brian) called down big bets with a gutshot straight draw to the river, hit your straight to pick up a huge pot. Then you post the HH on here and sincerely asked if people thought you made the right play or not. That's comedy. I'd like to think my post isn't quite as obvious a play as that one was. From the responses I've gotten (from people who know what they are talking about), my "move" pretty much sucks but that's cool. I'm still learning/improving my game. I don't usually start strategy threads in this forum (or any thread for that matter). This being why. Majority of people have to be a smart ass to amuse themselves and others instead of just typing an honest response. If you are a good player do you have to be an ass about questions that are simple for you, but maybe not as simple for others? Remember, you were a beginning player once as well. Did you enjoy people trying to make you look stupid when you had a question?

BrianSwa · #20 07-27-05, 02:31 PM

look, I was making a joke. Nothing personal about you, and the hand you are talking about was like 4 months into the game for me of course I didnt have a clue if it was a good play. Now I know it was terrible play oh well I was new give me a break. Need to learn how to take a joke, people make them about me all the time. I only go off on people when the jokes get personal, I know I have made stupid plays in the past and I have tried to learn from them.

BrianSwa · #21 07-27-05, 02:13 PM

not playing in it but if I was I'm not to worried about you, keep on check-raising. Oh wait no its not check-raising right you have some cool name for it besides that right. You will take my shit and like it my little bitch. Really wish I had the time to play the HU torney so I could watch you get your ass waxed.