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Reel Deal 03-01-07 06:09 PM

I guess Vos would have just checked behind here...
 
Full Tilt Poker Game #1899561043: Table Belmont (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:05:55 ET - 2007/03/01
Seat 1: oldcatcher ($35)
Seat 2: falcon88 ($40.30)
Seat 3: gemini2007 ($71.10)
Seat 4: Ramses87th ($117.75)
Seat 5: M1mo ($124.05)
Seat 6: ReelDeal07 ($110.85)
oldcatcher posts the small blind of $0.50
falcon88 posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ReelDeal07 [6s 6d]
gemini2007 raises to $2
Ramses87th folds
M1mo raises to $7.50
ReelDeal07 calls $7.50
oldcatcher folds
falcon88 folds
gemini2007 folds
*** FLOP *** [7s 6c Ah]
M1mo bets $15
ReelDeal07 calls $15
*** TURN *** [7s 6c Ah] [7c]
M1mo checks
ReelDeal07 checks
*** RIVER *** [7s 6c Ah 7c] [3s]
M1mo checks :confused:
ReelDeal07 bets $29 clearly, I am not Mark Vos
M1mo raises to $101.55, and is all in and I'm too stupid to get away from it here
ReelDeal07 calls $59.35, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $13.20 returned to M1mo
*** SHOW DOWN ***
M1mo shows [As Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Sevens)
ReelDeal07 mucks
M1mo wins the pot ($222.20) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
ReelDeal07 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $225.20 | Rake $3
Board: [7s 6c Ah 7c 3s]
Seat 1: oldcatcher (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: falcon88 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: gemini2007 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Ramses87th didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: M1mo showed [As Ac] and won ($222.20) with a full house, Aces full of Sevens
Seat 6: ReelDeal07 (button) mucked [6s 6d] - a full house, Sixes full of Sevens

Thanks for the cooler Tilt.

Boobie Lover 03-01-07 07:05 PM

Fold preflop.

Bet turn.

Talking Poker 03-01-07 09:24 PM

I don't hate the call.

I do hate the turn check though.

Reel Deal 03-02-07 09:33 AM

Guy was tight preflop then a bit of a maniac post flop, I thought he defined his hand as a big pair and thought I could stack him if I hit a set. I don't always call a PFRR w/mid pockets, just sometimes depending on stack-size and read.

Give me your rationale for betting the turn... to find where I'm at?

Boobie Lover 03-02-07 05:04 PM

To build a bigger pot to win more money.

Zybomb 03-02-07 05:53 PM

I disagree, given the tight reraising range RD has put Villian on.

Putting Villian on TT JJ QQ KK AA or AK , then it becomes a CLEAR turn check IMO

- Opponent does not play AK this way o the turn if he's played it this way preflop and on the flop.

- If opponent has AA we're in trouble.

- If opponent has TT JJ QQ KK a turn bet folds him out. If we check it let's him either 1) fire the river , or 2) check and call our river bet

Reel Deal 03-02-07 06:28 PM

After running this hand through my head a couple times, does any hand other than AA play it this way and could anyone find a fold after his river C/R shove?

Boobie Lover 03-02-07 06:49 PM

TT-KK isn't putting any more money into the pot unless he improves on the river. As for AK not playing that way, I would almost certainly check for pot control if someone cold calls a 3bet and then continues on this board (aka "I have implied odds with my obvious pocket pair to hit a set. Oh lookie here, I now have a set) unless he is a loose donkish type.

Zybomb 03-02-07 08:41 PM

I think TT-KK does put more $ in this hand (at least some of the time) on the river either because, 1) a bad player wouldnt put you on an ace and think your stealing with a small PP since you checked the turn. Or 2) to beat busted straight draws like 89

So I guess it comes down to if AK pays you off more money than the times you lose to AA or get a bet called out of TT-KK.....

Just a Q ....with AK in this spot would you go into check-call mode for the turn and river though? or would you check call a turn bet and then fold to a river bet?

Boobie Lover 03-02-07 09:08 PM

So what are you putting a person on if they cold call a 3bet preflop and then call an ace high flop? The worse I can put someone on is AK, or maybe a flop float if he is real imaginative, but I doubt that is the case at .5/1. With AK I probably call down, but each individual situation is different and I might proceed in a different route in real time.

Zybomb 03-02-07 10:01 PM

WOW...

I totally missed that RD cold called the reraise.

I thought he was the original raiser and then called the raise

Im not sure how much of my thinking this changes, but I certaintly would look at the hand differently if i realized this from the beginning

Reel Deal 03-03-07 07:49 AM

Anyone?

Talking Poker 03-03-07 12:20 PM

It certainly looks like AA by the river, yes, but for 3:1 and the chance of him having AK or bluffing, well, it would be a really tough laydown. I think I go broke here too - just a little bit differently that you did.


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