PL Omaha High hand
 

PokerStars Game #14162323260: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/12/28 -
18:19:51 (ET)
Table 'Gretia III' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: afcboy ($74.30 in chips)
Seat 2: Hurt50 ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 3: dabek6 ($198.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Euphoria18 ($203.20 in chips)
Seat 5: PowerHausAA ($321.10 in chips)
Seat 6: oceanpier ($146.45 in chips)
Hurt50: posts small blind $1
dabek6: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hurt50 [Ah Ad 2c 4h]
Euphoria18: raises $5 to $7
PowerHausAA: calls $7
oceanpier: folds
afcboy: calls $7
Hurt50: raises $30 to $37
dabek6: folds
Euphoria18: calls $30
PowerHausAA: calls $30
afcboy: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c Jh 4d]
Hurt50: bets $57.50 and is all-in
Euphoria18: calls $57.50
PowerHausAA: raises $226.60 to $284.10 and is all-in
Euphoria18: calls $108.70 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9c Jh 4d] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [9c Jh 4d 9s] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Euphoria18: shows [Qh Tc Jc Ts] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
PowerHausAA: mucks hand
Euphoria18 collected $217.40 from side pot
Hurt50: mucks hand
Euphoria18 collected $289.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $509.90 Main pot $289.50. Side pot $217.40. | Rake $3
Board [9c Jh 4d 9s 8h]
Seat 1: afcboy (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Hurt50 (small blind) mucked [Ah Ad 2c 4h]
Seat 3: dabek6 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Euphoria18 showed [Qh Tc Jc Ts] and won ($506.90) with a
straight, Eight to Queen
Seat 5: PowerHausAA mucked [Kc Js 7s Qc]
Seat 6: oceanpier folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I'm a pretty new player at omaha but since this is only Omaha High and not H/L, I might have just called preflop because you really don't have a good connecting hand. This would be a great hand for H/L but you only have a pair, only one flush draw, and a low straight preflop. If you just call preflop, you can keep the pot nicely sized so you don't have to lose a lot of your stack when a bad flop comes.

I don't know if this advice is right so maybe a PLO player could help me with my thinking here but generally I like to keep the pot preflop small because so many hands can hit.

He has aces, he is ahead in the hand preflop so he should be sticking as much money in as he can. Post flop play I don't really like because you are beat by a TON of hands we you don't have much equity left.

as far as raising preflop with aces in omaha, u alwasys want to unless u want to limp in early position, and then possibly re raising a preflop player who most likely has kings(which he is misplaying) , also being a short stack u want to raise preflop and hopefully get all in so u can see the turn and river ...I agree pushing in was reckless on the flop, luckily i was actually ahead on the flop and turn

But in Omaha you can't have the same thinking as Hold 'em. In Omaha a good drawing hand is better than a hand like pocket aces because you can get outdrawn easily. That is unless you can bet out your other oppenents....

EDIT: Your not raising here, your re-raising. Raising preflop I have no problem with but I think a call of the raise instead of re-raising is better.

sure in a holdem pov aces win small pots and lose big ones, but i will take aces any day over a "good drawing hand". not re-raising preflop with aces is just plain dumb.

You still only play two cards in PLO so mathematically your hand is only behind the two other aces with a better draw. Since we are mathematically ahead we want to put in as much money as we can preflop. Re-Raising is the correct play.

Alright, I don't know where I got my logic from but I guess it also depends on the type of players we are playing against. I guess I'm just really passive in PLO compared to the other forms of poker.

Agreed. I am also just beginning to dabble with PLO - but when you make that raise, unless you have a table image we are not aware of, you are basically screaming aces (and i am not saying that is good or bad, just fact).

So, when someone bets AND calls in front of you - you have to think you are beat or up against enough monster draws that you are all-but-beat.

beat by what?

I calculated the odds and I was a 50% favorite before the flop. With the amount of money that was in the pot, I made the right decision moving all-in on the flop.

Kurn???
 

I'd love to hear what Kurn has to say about this...