500$ out of nowhere
 

So I logged into my Fullcontact Poker account and found $500+ in my cashier account that I hadnt put there. I checked my bank, I checked my transaction history, and I checked Neteller...nothing.

What do you do here?!?

Well...

First i changed my password just in case, cause thats just freaky. Then I mulled it over for a while in my head and decided that well, if it was a system bug, I suppose I should do the right thing and tell them.

Am I a sucker?

yes, I would have cashed it out as soon as I found it.

I personally think these sites rob ppl enough with rake and if it was a glitch so be it, your gain... their mistake and it costs them.

To add a story to this, the other week at the local card room I was cashing out $2020.

The cashier gave me a $20 bill first, then two rubber bands of $20 ($500 each)

They then proceeded to count out $1000 in $50 bills. I recounted the 50s and turned up to say thanks see you next time, as I was doing this I noticed the cashier was counting out another $1000 in $50 bills. Obviously since I started to walk away she realized something was up and asked me if I had everything and I was like yea I do, you gave me the 2 rubber bands of $20's...and she was like yea yea. The thing is if I didn't start to walk away and she handed me the extra $1k, I would have gladly took it... these places rob us of $4k a day in rake, and I wouldnt feel bad about it for a second. Call it grimey if you will, but thats my take. If it were someone I knew obviously I'd say something, but I think its a different story

This is likely gunna start an ethics feud on this thread, which I don't want it to but whatever

My point is simply if I found $500 in my account I wouldn't ask any questions and Id use it/withdraw it

Once Party paid me twice for doing a bonus. Thanks for the extra $100 you filthy bastards.

requested a cashout of $1,000 from para about 1 year ago.

they sent it twice.


This may shock you - but i told them

You told them what? "Thanks for the G, suckers?"

I'm actually surprised errors like this happen so often. I don't keep close tabs on my online balances, but maybe I should. If errors can happen in the player's favor, they can certainly happen the other way too.

Im actually surprised to see this many take the money posts.

I mean, I can understand it, given how much we pay them through rakes, but still...after I thought about it for as long as I did, I decided that it would definitely disagree with my sense of morality to take the money.

Damn, and I dont even believe in Karma or heaven or paradise or shit like that, wtf

I'd take it and not lose a wink.

So, if you were playing some unknown heads up in a tournament, and then they disconnected, would you steal their blinds as much as possible or wait as much as possible for them to reconnect? I know I would certainly be the greedy bastard and take his blinds at will.

no i told them they did it, was back in the old days

hell yes, but this happened in the TPFHU thingy, and i donated half what i took back to him

Something similar happened to me. I withdrew funds from FT and they deposited it twice into my Neteller account. I kept it. Although, about a month later they sent me an email saying they made an error and requested that I redeposit the funds so they can take the money back. So far, I have ignored the email, but unfortunately, I can't play for money on FT since if I make a deposit, they are likely to take the money I put in. Bastards. :)

I would tell them about the $ in every case. I would feel like a thief if I didn't. I don't really care that they found a way to exploit an edge and rake our poker games, that's no reason to steal.

On the other hand, I usually don't feel bad at all about cheating on tests if I have the opportunity. This is because I feel like grades are extremely overrated and I personally don't feel too bad about getting a decent grade in a class without much effort, if the class does not interest me. In classes that do interest me and that I care about, I would pass up the opportunity to cheat and get what I deserve if I felt I was properly taught the material.

I think this is a really funny statement from a guy who plays live.

def take the blinds.
this is alot diff i think.

I'd take it in a heartbeat and cash that bad boy out.

Doesn't the Mansion $1,000 free bet promotion feel like stealing? I never slept so damn well in my life after the famous Porter INT.

Start clicking as fast as humanly possible. While we do play poker for the enjoyment, we also got :twocents: :twocents: to make.

Sheez, ya'll just a bunch of degenerate thieves and cheaters.

Three questions:
1.) What if you didn't have any money, JD?
2.) Have you ever heard of an honor code? A number of colleges have them. You should check up on Mizzou. Basically, what they say is, if you're caught cheating on a test, you get thrown out of school.
3.) Assuming No. 2 is valid in your case, would you risk your college stay on cheating on a test in a shitty class you'll never use anyway?

I play online as well, just not as significantly as some of the players on this site. And either way, live or online they rob you :)

See I don't see this as stealing. Just as they found a way to expoilt an edge (stealing money from our pots in exchange for letting us play there), if they make an error when processing our accounts (which we pay them to have for us) then that's us exploitng our edge.

Actually hacking into the system and removing money from a players bankroll and putting it in your own would be stealing, and something different.

This certainly has turned into an interesting thread.

What I find most interesting are where people draw the lines. Stealing is stealing. Right? Or is it?

Don't get me wrong - I'm as much of a line drawer as the next guy. I have no problem downloading a movie for free or copying a piece of $300 software that I will rarely ever use ("stealing" from the big faceless corporations) - especially if this is something I would never purchase anyway. I would never steal Poker Tracker or a Card Runners membership or anything else like that though, because those add value to me and I think the people who created them deserve to be compensated. I couldn't care less about compensating Microsoft though.

I could never steal money from another (individual) person, even if it was someone I didn't know OR someone I didn't like. I'm always the guy who hands the cashier back the extra money they hand me, even if they are rude or whatever. It's just not right when I know they are going to have to eat it at the end of the day.

The only time I can think of where I might "steal" from an individual is the HU tourney example. If someone disconnects, I'd give them a chance to come back, but I'm not going to sit there and fold for an hour waiting for them either. Eventually, I'd start raising and just end the tourney. This happened to me once, and it probably took me 20 minutes to blind him off. Had he come back, I would have folded for a while and given him SOME chips back (but not all of them - I deserve to be compensated for the amount of time I was annoyed), but he never did.

As for the question at hand............................ I think I'd keep the money and chalk it up to a deposit bonus I forgot about. If they contacted me about it, I'd give it back.

Rake is not stealing. This is understood up front and by playing there, you are agreeing to it. Rake is how the site is compensated for providing us with a game... don't forget about all of their expenses in setting up the infrastructure for us to play on (software, hardware), marketing to get players there for us to play, customer service, and so on and so on.

Do they still turn a profit at the end of the day? Of course.... but they are entitled to, just like you are when you "steal" from your customers by charging them $9.99 for a pizza.

Actually, they don't rob you at all. If it were that bad, either nobody would play or a competitor would undercut them. Its a free market, vote with your feet.

There's some really stupid points made in this thread that try make stealing seem okay.

1) I still would give it back. 1 year ago I had no money, and then and now I would always give $ back. My conscious will not let me steal. Just last week I had to go through hassle to tell the cashier of subway I got 'double meat' and wasn't billed for it.

2) I'm sure theres an honor code. It's not like Im a avid cheater, I dont even make cheat cheats or anything for tests like tons of people do. If I can sneak a peek at an answer for a class I dont like tho, I'll do it all day.

3) Of course not. I really don't cheat often, I was just saying if I did cheat in a class I dislike, I would not feel bad about it.

I'm a little surprised by some of the responses here as well. If I was cashing out at a B&M and someone gave me too much money I would definately let them know about it. It happened once in Vegas (I was overpaid by $100) and the cashier told me she would have lost her job if I hadn't caught it and given it back. Sticking it to the man is one thing, but when someone can lose their livelihood because of it is another.

That seems a little excessive. What casino did she work at? I'm sure that with all the money they handle, counting errors do happen on occasion. I'm sure they'd count her drawer, so why wouldn't they just make her pay the money back if it's her error? That's what we always had to do at the grocery store I worked at for years.

Now, if you're talking about a couple thousand, then yeah, I can see her getting fired. Or, if the 100 bucks starts disappearing on a semi-regular basis ...

None of them are any worse than cheating on a University exam.

Bingo.

University exam lol. Im in the dumbest fresh college classes Ive ever taken that won't really help me out at all in life. Next semester will be different.

Either way it's not an excuse, and it is something I'll have to stop doing. I don't know how I convinced myself it's okay, probably in a similiar way ppl convinced themselves it's okay to steal just because they are getting raked.

Like I said stealing would be something entirely different. Stealing would be hacking into the system and changing your account balance. This is just keeping money that you found in your account.

If you found $100 dollars on the ground, would you turn it in to the police? If you picked it up and kept it would that be STEALING $100 from whoever's it was? Of course not, and it's the same thing here. You found $500 and you are keeping it

The dean in charge of observing and evaluating my teaching at school found a $1000 chip at MGM a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, bad habit.

By the way, as a professor I am duty bound to inform your University.

Woooohoooo! That's what I'd say if I found that chip.

Now, if I saw someone drop it or if it was obvious who it belonged to, I'd immediately give it back. But if I just so happened to spot it in the middle of the hallway or something, drinks are on me!

He was just walking and saw it on the floor. He kind of looked around and nobody was there so he picked it up. The rule states that if you find it in the casino, it belongs to the casino. He didn't know what it was worth when he found it. It was black, I think, and pretty beat up.

He went to the cage and said:

My buddy had some good luck playing blackjack and gave me this chip and told me to have fun with it. Is this a real chip, or is he fucking with me? The lady said, "no, it's real."

100
200
300 and she just kept on going.

Lucky Day.

The dumbest college freshmen classes as opposed to what? The ones you took last year to compare them to?

You do realize that most college freshman classes are supposed to teach you to manage your time and develop good study habits...something vital to surviving the rest of college, right?

Thankfully I was taught this in high school and all the colleges classes did was make me bored out of my mind and never want to go to class. As soon as I started to take classes with my major it all turned around though and going to class and actually leraning something wasn't a drag anymore. This is a little OT but oh well.

So, if you are able to get a job based on your GPA being higher than a fellow applicant - and you cheated in the classes that didn't interest you to get your high GPA and the other applicant didn't cheat - you don't feel like you stole/cheated that job from him or her??

Or if someone who is not as intelligent as you are has to really work hard and apply himself/herself to get an 'A', and you cheat and get the same 'A' - you don't feel that sort of cheats/steals from the other students accomplishment, or at least minimizes it??

JUST SAW YOUR POST saying you were going to try to stop doing it. I guess you can ignore this then. I was sort of playing devil's advocate anyway.

Well, as I said, I let them know, and I got an email that they took out the money and said everything is straightened out. I still have about 100$ too much in there, Im just taking that now as a "thank you for your honesty".

On the note of cheating on university exams...Ive been teaching and proctoring organic chemistry for a number of years now, and go ahead cheat. If I catch you I will do everything in my power to get you expelled.

Good for you. I actually wrote a pretty scathing response yesterday, but decided not to post it, figuring you'd come to your senses in a day or two. Glad to see I made the right decision.

The finding a chip in the casino example is even better than mine of finding it on the floor. Technically it belongs to the casino -- so you'd be "stealing" if you didn't pick up the pick and return it to the cashier's cage. I would pick it up and put it in my pocket right away no doubt about it.

NOW, if a stranger was walking in front of me and I saw him drop the chip, that's a different story... however the example of this $500 is exactly the same as the first example above, which is why there is no doubt about I'd keep it and not think for a second otherwise

I thought they started putting microchips or something in the really big denominations for tracking, perhaps only a casino or two experimenting?

Same thing happen to me.

What actually happen was FCP was in the middle of switching networks from ongame to the new dsg network. Before the move, they promised players to give them back money they earned towards an uncleared bonus. Eg. If you clear 60% of a 100 dollar bonus, and never had the chance to complete the remaining 40% of the bonus, then they would give you $60 cash and give back $40 in bonus.

Obviously they screwed this up majorly and gave people too much money, but have since adjusted accounts to have it corrected...even though it appears they still screwed up the OP.