HR4411 - tomorrow is the big day...
 

Congress tomorrow.

Not as big of a day as you might think. This will probalby pass without any debate whatsoever, just like last time, and then die on the Senate floor without even getting a look, just like last time.

Sooner or later this is gonna be a problem, but with all that the country has going on now I think we still have some time.

People better start contacting their congressman though.

Being debated right now on C-Span.

I'm not much of a CSPAN guy, but I'm tuned in. Thanks.

I'm not certain what planet these people live on.

People, please get out and vote accordingly, please.

These comments are VERY scary. I mean..... these people have no idea. They are focusing on all the wrong things, drawing the wrong conclusions, and completely trying to overstep their bounds.

They keep saying how internet gambling isn't regulated, so it's bad. Agreed. So REGULATE IT!

BTW - I hate how they talk. What is this, 1795?

FINALLY - someone is speaking and using LOGIC. My new favorite Rep is the Democrat from Massachusetts. Go Barney Frank!

Barney Frank from Massachusetts is a smart guy.

If you live in that state get out and vote for him.

I'm serious here - how can such stupid people be elected to lead our country? It's like logic just goes out the window.

What in the world is wrong with these people? It's ridiculous. Do they really believe what they are saying, or are they just representing the morons who elected them, because that's what the morons want? If it's the latter, I guess I understand, but if they really believe this garbage they are saying..... ugh.

Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees with me is stupid or wrong, but they are so CLEARLY focusing on the wrong things here, I can't even believe it.

BTW - that moron kid who robbed the bank in PA.... nice going. You've made an excellent poster boy for this bill.

Because not enough people vote.

Was it Plato (maybe not) who said "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men"

Seems true enough.

Can I say it again, get out and vote people.

Money laundering? Christ. That is a good way to get all your money held by the site. Do these people have any fucking clue?

Don't forget funding terrorist acts. That one is my personal favorite.

I don't know if I can watch this much more. I'm sitting here in shock. What in the hell is wrong with our country???

Hopefully we're not seeing a representative sample of the people in this room, and the sensible ones are ready to vote against this stupid bill.

I guess we'll know soon enough.

I'm about to break out the "C" word for this broad, Darlene Hooley from Oregon.

I've done cocaine, and I've placed bets on the internet, they are not the same.

Keep in mind the bozo yielding his time to people to speak is very much in support of the bill, thus he's gonna give it to people are on his side.

Like I said earlier in this thread, this is gonna pass today, but will die without notice in the Senate, when that happens it has to start all over again next year from scratch.

John Conyers from Michigan is not an elloquent speaker, but he knows what he is talking about and nailing the heart of the issue right now. If you have TIVO rewind this and listen to it.

If you live in Michigan get out and vote for this guy.

Hey, we got a non-supporter of this bill. He must have some brains.

Oh wait, he just wants more restrictions on gambling. Oops. Somehow he fit pornography into his argument. Nevermind about him having brains.

He's just attacking it from a different angle, he wants to legalize and tax on-line gaming, what a thought!

Listen to David Scott and tell me what you think he is saying.

He's just saying that this bill making internet gambling illegal is ineffective by the means that this bill uses (which is correct). He is still opposed to all forms of gambling, which I disagree with.

IMO, this is the clear solution to the problem (and yes, of course I am willing to recognize that online gambling CAN lead to problems). The point is, the current bill (you need to go read it all) is ridiculous and needs to be defeated.

Shelley Berkely - Democrat from Nevada - is a breath of fresh air. It's like she's speaking for me right now.

MANY things can lead to problems, the Gov't job is not to legislate morality, clearly what they are trying to do here.

I think the Nevada representative should take some hard-line anti-gambling stance. Just go off on all forms of gambling altogether and say that it should all be illegal. That would do wonders for her re-election campaign in Nevada.

I believe Nevada was the first to ban internet gambling on a state level, could be wrong about that.

She just put in an amendment that would ban ALL internet gambling.

I'm just glad Congress is there to protect me from myself for without their guidance I'm quite certain I'd be a homeless drunk right now.

That would make sense for someone from Nevada to say that. Hypocritical - but it makes sense.

And we get no vote at all, VERY NICE.

This is actually a good thing for us believe it or not.

A good strategy may be to start carrying small bankroll amounts online. I can foresee Neteller closing up shop with our money if poker is no longer a valid merchant for them (I'd guesstimate well over 50% of their business is in poker related transactions).

I think this is completely ridiculous advice. Seriously, I think the guy looking for 10 cents in the Backer section had more logic in his post.

How's that?

Come live in Australia, we have a relatively sensible/libertarian government and gambling is not taxable :)

Also cleansing ales are plentiful

The longer there is no decision the longer we have no problem. Possibly the idiots who wrote the bill don't get re-elected and the issue goes away.

But in any event it can't go to the Senate without a vote from the House and can't become law without going to the Senate.

Getting rolled by NETeller = LOL

I'd just hate to see online poker getting banned quicktime and having the tsunami of a lifetime. Some people have life savings online.

Huh?

I think the rest of the world has enough poker players for them to continue their service.

You sure? The article does state that about half of online poker players are American, and that doesn't seem too far out of whack.

You're getting way, way, way ahead of yourserlf. These things take a LONG time. Just because the House votes in favor of a bill (which they have not) does not mean Neteller is going to go out of business! Even if this did become a law effective TODAY, Neteller does a lot of things besides cater to online gamblers, and I'm sure they would come up with a contingency plan for those of us who choose to break the law.

317-93.

Ouch.

Yep, sneaky bastards. Still, the Senate has better things to do, they have burried this thing before and will again.

I hope you're right. Here's another article:


I'll be interested to see the Poker Player's Alliance response to this.

From pocketfives:

Poker Players Alliance Responds to House Vote
Banning Online Poker

Washington, D.C.(July 11, 2006) — Michael Bolcerek, president of the Poker Players Alliance, released the following statement after the U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation that would prohibit Americans from playing poker on the Internet.

“We are disappointed that the House of Representatives would assail the rights of Americans to enjoy the great game of poker on the Internet. It is unconscionable that a skill game like poker gets swept into the net of prohibition, while online horse betting and Internet lotteries get free passes,” said Mr. Bolcerek.

“The United States should follow the lead of the United Kingdom by regulating and taxing online poker, not banning it. An economic analysis just released by our organization shows that U.S. regulation of online poker has the potential to raise more than $3.3 billion in annual revenue for the federal government, in addition to another $1 billion for state coffers. We hope that this analysis will give a fresh perspective for U.S. Senators about the benefits of regulation.

“The Poker Players Alliance is undeterred in its mission to promote and protect the game of poker and we will continue to advance the cause on behalf of poker players in the United States.”

A copy of the Poker Players Alliance economic analysis can be found at .

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The Poker Players Alliance is a nonprofit organization advocating on behalf of American poker players.

IF they bann access to the sites we are screwed?

no bank transactions from the U.S . can easily be be jumped but if they block the sites then we have trouble no?

This is really funny.

Alrighty, thanks for stopping in. Bye.

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How do you figure? I realize you don't live in the U.S., but if this ever passes, it will have very clear GLOBAL impacts.

Think about the big picture for a minute before making stupid comments.

Taja

Of course you realize what happens to the action at every site if the US is not playing, right?

CardPlayer's take on things:

Seems like Taja likes to stop in and try to needle "the USA" everytime the opportunity presents itself. Pathetic needling attempt, yes, but I still see that as his motivation.

He did LEAVE the forum because he didn't want to be associated with it. When does he return? To jab at people about the US in the World Cup and in this thread. He has posted in a few other spots, I admit, but it's still weak.