Who is the Best........
 

Tourney Poker player on this forum.......

It was origionally best poker player on average, but thats a big vague.

I want personal opinions as to who plays the best poker. IM not including everyone, just the guys who i think people would vote for...


Intersting results we will see i believe.

Cash No Limit?

Cash Limit?

SnG?

MTT?

Goooood thinking. MTTs. Its too varyable for general.

How about who is the best besides JD?

disagree, while JD wins a shitload, we have TP, who wins a million sattelites, has cashed in the WSOP.

Zybomb, well, we all know him.

Mayhem wins a lot.

Pshabi obviously does too.


Its not as easy as you think

Obviously TP, Shabi, and SJay are the resident limit experts (if we include Kurn, he'd likely be up there as well)

Me and JD are the experienced Cash NL players (not saying the best just experienced in medium [me] and high [him] stakes)

I think Mayhem belongs in the NL group, but he doesn't post enough of his HHs so he gets excluded :rolleyes:

SNGs are tough to say, I don't think any of us play enough of them or post enough about them

MTTs TP and JD have the best track records

Would you believe there was a point in time where after all the brackets were completed, Brian was favored over JD in the first round of TPF HU tournament?

(Not meant to insult Brian at all) Just considering the stakes JD is at now --

This poll is obviously going to win for JD because, hello, he's won 3 big MTTs in the past four days.

im beginning to regret not posting some numbers from when i was playing a LOT more than i am now. I was cash tabling 3/6, and playing alot of sit and gos, 5 hours a day, 6 days a week, and making alot.

I just read this forum for advice, and posted some dumbass comments along the way.

ANyways, mayhem is good, but yes he doesnt post anything, all JD does in brag about his wins:rolleyes:

for HHs Zy is a clear winner. I was tempted to include Bunny, but decided against it.


Maybe this poll sucks! But screw it, whose the best tourney player from who i listed.


( i enarly added kurn, but i havent seen any action from him, so cant comment)

This poll doth suck.

I wrote out an arguament to that, and deleted it.

Yup, agreed. He's getting my vote. How can he NOT, considering he recent results?

And Zybomb is exactly right - I'll add some thoughts in bold:

I have ABSOLUTELY no business even being in this poll. Tourney player???? LMAO!!!!!!

People on this forum think I'm a lot better than I actually am, I guess.

I'm SLIGHTLY better than average tourney-wise. Slightly.

As for my vote, I obviously need to vote JD, because the results do all the talking. However, I think Zy is right up there. His analysis is top notch, and he proved himself in the last league.

TP, although on a bit of a dry run, is a very very solid player. He did final table a WSOP event. I respect his game immensely.

As for me, there are people (Lou, for one) that are better than me and not even on the list. My vote goes to JD with Zy and TP for a very close 2nd.

LOL... Gotta love how I just voted for MYSELF by accident. I SO SWA'd that vote! I'll fix it. :o

Edit: There we go.... moved one TP vote to wonderboy.

OMG, you're right. I'm 99% sure I picked JD to go pretty damn far. Like, final two. I saw something in that motherfucker from day 2!!!!!

I was wondering how you made the list, since 98% of your play is 6 max limit cash games. Must be because you post a lot! It's all about the brand recognition these days.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying you are a bad MTT player or anything (far from it), but if we are talking in terms on NL tourneys, I'd go with guys like bdawg, meanness, studiopet, etc, before I'd bring up the shabi.

Dude, I'm drunk, but you're better than me @ limit cash games. Who do I ask for help? Who do I beg to rail me? Who do I post hands for? You, bitch, you.

Awwwww, shucks.

I dunno. Sometimes the pupil becomes the master. It happens, and when it does, the master is very proud. :)

You've come SO FAR in your limit game. Our play is very, very similar now. When I railed you (for a solid hour) the other night, the differences I saw in how we play were so very minor, I think they are negligible.

I think it was best player at first, then he changed it to so it was more defined.

Either way, even if it was "best overall player" I'd put JD, TP, ZY, Bdawg, AT LEAST AHEAD OF ME.

Possibly more.

The attributes that have got me to the level I'm at are:

1) extreme self-discipline
2) the ability to be honest w/ oneself
3) the desire to study and get better (intrinsic motivation)
4) basic, above-average intelligence
5) table/game selection
6) TABLE/GAME SELECTION

7 fucking bars.

And these are very important qualities in a poker player. JD has come a long, long way, but he's still behind everyone on that list with regards to #1, and I think he'd be the first to admit it.

No matter how good you are, you'll amount to nothing but a broke waste of talent if you don't have good bankroll management skills. That's just a fact.

Hmm... why is that? Im still in the 500-750 catagory?

Yea the original posted question was who is the best poker player

I responded saying Limit? NL? SNG? MTT?, because obviously theres different answers for each -- so he changed it to make it more defined (you already said that)

Very true. I really need to work on that still. Oh and #5 and 6 are pretty bad too - but i like to challenge myself and i think its made me better playing really good players, for wutever thats worth.

See, that's where we differ. I get better by posting and reading here and elsewhere. I study my own play and the play of others. I've hired coaches, posted videos, even had TP railbird.

However, when I'm playing online, I'm a predator. I'm seeking the weakest of the weak and trying to squeeze as much out of them as I can before they dry up and wilt away.

If I didn't pay ANY attention to table, and more importantly, SEAT SELECTION, I think I'd be breakeven at best. I'm have abosolute nothing to prove to anyone.

JD, you're young, and you have a chip on your shoulder. I love that. However, in my situation, I don't need pride. I'm looking to maximize my hourly earn, end of story. I don't need to think/know I'm better than these players. That's not my goal. My goal is to win as much money as I POSSIBLY CAN during the time I spend at the table.

Well, this poll doth suck then, because I've never even seen SJay play a tournament before.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:eek:

Well ya so is mine. I think it could be argued that playing better players than me, and losing money for a short time, which would make me better in the long run... could actually increase the $ i win overtime.

but man, i reallized how bad my BR management sucks when just 2 weeks ago when i was running horrible, i decided to play a freakin $5,000.00 HU SNG to try and get back to even... luckily i pwned the fool lol - but it was still really really really really really really really really really really dumb of me.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

And I'm somewhere in between the two of you. I understand the value of preying on the weak, but I PREFER to play against better players than weaker ones (this is an intentionally vague statement - this depends on a LOT of things). I find they are more logical in their actions and thus much easier for me to figure out.

And let me tell you, it's pretty damn rewarding to sit down with the best in the world and not only know that you are hanging with them, but that you aren't even outclassed. No, that's not to say I am (even close to) as good as the best in the world. It just means that I can hang at that level, and I can be successful. I'd get KILLED in the Big Game, but I like my chances in any given WPT event nearly as much as those of any given "pro."

Back to my first point. You know the whole "Levels of a Poker Player" thing that I've mentioned a few times before? Well, I don't think it's possible for you to play more than 1 level above your opponent. So if I am a Level 4 poker player, the best scenario for me (IMO) would be for me to be playing against a Level 3 player, where I'm one step ahead of them. Playing a Level 5 player would obviously be bad for me, but if I'm playing a Level 1 player, I can only play at Level 2 anyway.

This is a good topic for a new thread (maybe I'll write it up sometime), but basically, if your opponent barely knows what HE has and has NO IDEA what you have, how in the wolrd are you going to know what he thinks you think he thinks you think he has? Obviously, 90% of your talent is going to waste. He doesn't even know what you have, let alone what you think he has (and so on and so forth).

Exactly -- refer to the Levels of Thinking (or Levels of Poker I forget what I called it) of the book -- good reading material -- mostly inspired from your posts on the subject

LOL this thread is awesome

JD is definitely the best tourney player (although I voted for myself for kicks, lol).

I used to play lots of NL tourneys (started my bankroll by placing in a freeroll tourney, then built it up playing micro SNGs) before I migrated to limit cash games. These days the only tourneys that I play are headsup limit SNGs, although they stress me out for some reason. I prefer to stick to 6-max limit, where I've run hot so far (5bb/100 over 50k hands). I need to play more, but I get very disheartened by even minor downswings and I can't stand holding more than a couple of thousand on the internet. I also feel somewhat degenerate if I'm playing poker for any more than two hours at a time. So I don't think I'll ever be a big-time player.

Yes, I have noticed a number of things plagiarized borrowed from me. hehe. :thumbsup:

holy shit my dumbass isea has got some replies.

JD plays a $5k HU SNG, and wins, thats the HU world conquered. MTTs he bashing shit out of, NL cash hes dominating. Lets make JD a limit player for christmas. Nothing else left for him to do, except omaha/stud/variations.

The only problem is....this thread is always gonna go to JD as the rest of us cant do that. I reckon a all round poker thread would be interesting, but you cant compare the games:(


And id like to add me to the SnG dominators, thats basically what i was playing, along with $3/$6 NL, to get my big bankroll started. Then i got fired/moved house. I resent my fiancee:rolleyes:

I forgot to add maybe the best part of this.
After and while i was beating this guy HU... we were talking and he kept tellin me how i sucked blah blah blah, it was pretty funny. I of course talked back and made fun of him and got into some sweet argument. After i beat him he says comon fish play me again... I say okay idiot.

He sits the 5k SNG and i know i shouldnt play just b/c thats alot of $, but i really think i can beat him again so i really want to sit. While I'm thinking about it, Leemur - who always plays 5k HU matches sits and destroys him in about 15 hands while the guy is fully tilting as i sat on the rail to type LOL a few times.

Commence ego stroke*

Voted for myself. Fuck you all!

JK, but I do deserve it, just because I lasted longer than JD in the 55k tonite.

damn i didnt know that, i wanna change my vote:eek: :rolleyes:

I understand your point of view on this subject. However, I disagree with the basic logic you present.

I'm going to make A LOT more money @ 5/10, or beyond, playing against level 1/2 players. So what if I'm only able to play at "level 2" against the poorest players.

Let's say I'm a level 4 player. Even if I have to "drop" a few levels in my thinking against a level 1 player, I believe my edge is INFINITELY greater against that player than it would be if I was playing a level 3 players. Does that make sense?

Bigger edge = more money

I understand your desire to be able to hang with the best in those NLHE MTT events, and how rewarding it is for you. That's just not something that matters to me at all.

I started playing poker after Moneymaker because it was something fun to do to get out of the house one night a week. $5 buyin mixed game, dealer calls it and we'd just drink and smoke and mess around.

I progressed beyond that once I started playing online and realized that I could actually make money doing this. I got books, studied forums, and played hands because I wanted to maximize my earn, period.

I guess I'm just a grinder.

So, let me get this straight? You're taking credit for "levels of thinking" much like the pot/kettle thing and "I made a funny?"

Seriously????

Wow, so modest.

due to recent posts by JD i think this one is obvious.

With respect to the level of poker players and playing against them, I was just thinking about that the other night at the casino. I have never felt more in control than I did that night, and I was wondering why I haven't felt anywhere close to that before. Maybe it is because I have started playing a lot lately and thinking poker more, but I also realized that if these people were complete fish I wouldn't be able to do this. A lot of them were decent players, and I could remember being at that level. Thus, I was able to recognize moves that I used to make and then make counter moves. You have the advantage of being able to think like your opponent when you are like 1 level above them.

My logic doesn't apply to limit cash games. Those are mechanical. Learn to beat them and clean up. It related to NL play - especially tourney strategy.

I'm not saying I'm the first guy to ever come up with it - in fact, I know I'm not because I remember reading it somewhere and never was able to track it down again (I thought it was CardPlayer). But the actual WORDS in Zy's book are MY words. :D

BTW - thanks to the 2 people who threw me pity votes. :thumbsup:

yvw

Paraphrased ;) (except for an occassional line or two that i could not have said better myself -- in which you were forewarned I'd need your permission for before continuing :D )

I didn't vote because I haven't played much with anyone on the list, and even though Klingons like to brag, I'd rather jump into your next batch of tournies and let the results speak for themselves. :cool:

sounds fine

Dude, your one line posts have seriously sucked lately. What's the point?

Edit: Lately may be an understatement.

Lately = the last 3 posts ive made i reckon.

Hows this.

im bringin it back to full steam