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this poll is stupid. There are two people who have authority in this matter. First, as the victim, AEQ has the right to decide how to pursue legal action. And then TP, as the owner of this site, decides who gets banned. We can express our opinions, but they don't really matter.

If your sense of justice is left wanting there are so many causes to apply yourself. For instance, your righteous indignation would be more constructively spent working to stop

jimmym, this is a bit pointless because unless you have the evidence linking him to the crime the authorities are going to tell you that all you have is hearsay which doesn't give rise to the probable cause they'd need to go arrest him. The only one with that evidence is Lou (and maybe PS and Neteller), so it's up to him/them.

YOU LIVE IN THE FOOKING UK.....WHAT ARE THE BOBBYS GONNA RIDE OVER HERE AND TIE HIM UP AND TAKE HIM BACK...GET OVER IT....ITS NOT UP TO YOU.....GOOD DAY

Whether or not he should be reported is not up to us. And, I think it's in quite poor taste to have a poll on the situation.

Aeq was the victim of the crime and that is the person that decides to press charges in this situation. You were neither a witness nor a victim of the crime...so your opinion doesn't matter one little bit.

Sure, you heard about the crime, but that does not give you reason to turn in someone that may or may not be guilty. You don't go to the cops with a second hand story about something that may or may not have happened because your sense of justice tells you he should be punished.

In this situation, yeah..I'm guessing we can give Aeq the benefit of the doubt...but situations like this are not always the case. That's exactly why you aren't the one pressing charges. The victim of the crime (or the state) would be the one pressing charges.

It's a personal decision for Aeq on whether charges should be pressed. If an agreement can be made and all parties satisfied to the best possible outcome, then so be it. End of story. If Aeq feels that charges should be pressed for whatever reasons, then so be it. End of story.

The same with TP. Sure, we could talk about whether he should be banned...but our names aren't on the top of this page and they aren't on the bills. That's a decision for TP and him only. Ban or not. It's still his decision.

As for the rest of this...Everybody knows what happened. We know pretty much how it happened. The parties INVOLVED are reaching whatever agreements they so choose. The End.

It wouldn't bother me one bit if the thread was locked because the only thing left to do is ask a bunch of questions to holdem that nobody will probably understand the answers...it serves no good to continue dragging it all out.

Am I the only one who has no problem with this poll?

I think jimmy was just taking a poll to get people's opinions on what they thought Aeq should do.... not what HE (jimmy) should do. And I see nothing wrong with asking for other people's opinions about this. We've had far stupider polls in the past.

As for the banning, I'm still holding off a day or two to see how things shakes out (and give him a chance to respond to whatever here), but I can't really think of many good reasons to NOT ban him.

I see no need to enable a scam artist (even to the slightest degree, where lea learns anything about any of us), or to allow him to be a part of this forum because he thinks its "intertaining" (sic).

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I dont have any issues with this poll at all really, untimatley Its Lou who is gonna decide what to do though no matter what we say its his decision alone. He pretty much knows what he is gonna do already and Lou is a pretty smart guy and knows what is best for this paticular situation.

As for banning, I agree with TP there is no reason to have someone like that on this forum at all. I see absolutley no reason to keep him here, he stole and lied and took someones money. He hasnt added anything to this forum at all in my opinion and even if he did this would kill anything positive he brought to this forum. We as users should have a big say in the kind of people we keep around here. Of course this is TP's and Lou's decision seeing as he is admin and Lou is person that was hurt the most by this guy. But if you want opinions I say get rid of him before he does it again, once a theif always a theif. Unless you go to one of those cool reform schools then maybe you can break the habbit. I mean seriously if it was that easy for him to do what is gonna stop him from doing it again a couple months down the line when this blows over. I mean he might be able to hide it better next time and without proff there wont be much we can do. I say stop it now!

I didn't think it was clear. But he's removed the post now so I'm not entirely sure.

1. Whens your birthday brian, dictionary is on the way dude:D j/k

2. im fine with this poll. i voted no, i had my reasons but i cant remember them now.

3. its AEQs choice, and TP too i guess. If it was me that did this, for example, id request after paying up to be banned anyway, as an act of remorse or something.

I think personally people are being complete idiots towards this entire situation...they are actually beginning to FEEL BAD for this kid.

How would you like it if it was your account?

Whoever - repped me and said to leave the kid alone he learned his lesson....HOW? He got away with it! Hes giving what he lost back, and that's it. He seems blessed if thats all that happens. He'll learn his lesson by thinking, if i do get caught again I'll just replace the money -- no biggie.

At some point stupidity and immiturity can't cover an explanation -- the stupidity part is simply because he was caught -- and what did he grow up over night and become mature?

Sorry to sound like Im jumpin down his throat, but Im jus tellin things like they are. Sure it's only up to Aeq on legal action (or neteller/stars) and up to TP on banning ... but this poll seemed to be asking for opinions on what they should do, not what jimmyM, or me or you should do...what THEY should do. So I dont understand people jumpin down his throat -- especially Longshot -- what the hell kind of a response was that? Do you really think jimmy was talking about informing the english police on this incident and seeing what happens?

Maybe it'll take your guys accounts being broken into in order for you to make some sense out of this situation -- as I'm laughing at you from the irony, I'll tell you to take it easy, and that he's learned his lesson.

Sorry if Im sounding like a dick here, but Im really just baffled how many people seem to feel bad for this guy

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yea didnt run that through microsoft word, sorry. BUT my Birthday is in month!

Well Said, However....i do not believe that the forum as a whole should have a choice....the thread is pointless it if one person whining because a person who did nothing to him isnt getting banned....thats not the point of the forum......nevertheless.....+rep from me

my birthday is in a month too, what are the odds of that.:thumbsup:

This thread isn't about banning him, its a poll to find out should he have been reported to authorities for committing a series of crimes......crimes mind you that do impact this forum as they happened to a member and can happen to another member. Fool me once...shame on you....fool me twice shame on me - lets see if it holds true.

I'm quite suprised at the "resolution". I would have notified authorities immediately once I figured out who it was. Identity theft is quite serious and can be quite painfull to recover from. Being young and dumb is not an excuse.

When this is settled I will add A link with a story very similar to this and How the authorities responded you may be suprised;)

Jimmy's first two posts in the this thread, now missing, made the entire poll objectionable.

In the first post, Jimmy states that he is going to take action unless Aeq does and in the second post he justifies his desire to act with some rambling story about getting rewarded for “doing the right thing” Part/most of the second post is contained in X-LS-X reply (#4)

edit for content.

Yes, and he deleted the other two posts he made in this thread too, so now it's kind of a mess.

That's annoying. See why I don't like having 12 hour edit times and would prefer more like 15 minutes?

I agree with just about all of this. The one that that I don't agee with is that the banning thing is entirely my decision. A certain Zybomb has banning powers too, you know. :)

I understand you not wanting to overstep your bounds or whatever, but if you banned him, it would be fine with me. I'm probably going to do it in a couple of days anyway. I'd prefer to let things play out first though - who knows, if he really is reformed, maybe he'll add something valuable to the forum that will help other members avoid getting scammed by similar shitheads.

Its Funny in a way.

How some members can defend what JohnStewart done and say its ok Lou has sorted it out, Internet Fraud is serious it usually starts with some spotty faced kid playing a so called prank and then envelopes into this same spotty faced twat ripping who he can off.

Lou must have been worried to know that a little bollock could so easily get into his accounts and I suppose his decision not to report this twat could be looked at in many ways one being the response he may get from his fellow workers once found.

I asked a support member from PokerStars to check out the Ive Been Punkd thread as I was concerned that John_Stewart who is a member from there site may be a Fraudster, Pokerstars have agreed that they are concerened about this guy and are going to make further enquires into his account.

I contacted Chris Connally Chief of Police 501 Faraon St. St. Joseph, MO 64501 (816) 271-4700 by e-mail mailto:jlrothganger@ci.st-joseph.mo.us expressing my concern about this guy and allthough I dont have a home address I pointed out that Pokerstars do have his home address .

So there you have it, Yes I was Pissed offwith this and No I didnt need the bobbys over her to go and get him, it took me 20min of my time to bring to the attention these people of possible Fraudster, I dont care what they do if anything, but this guy is scum and I for one say Ban him now remember it could be you next and do you know what to do like Lou did, I doubt many of us could even start.

I've received 3 + reps and one - rep for this (of course w/o signature). But whoever did - rep me on this as I'm laughing at you from the irony, I'll tell you to take it easy, and that he's learned his lesson. that part is for you homie

LOL- -Rep for me I was even called a retard, :thumbsup:

By taking action w/o you I'd feel as if I did -- which is why i wont

Here is the deal. If HES had gone after me, I would have pursued legal action with his local police and I would have had him banned from here. He is clearly a punk and I don’t think he deserves our sympathies. In no way am I defending HES, nor have I ever. But HES didn’t target me, nor did he target Jimmy, he went after Aeq. Therefore it is ultimately up to Aeq to decide the best way to handle this issue. And since Aeq is a lawyer, he probably has experience in situations like this and is acting in the most reasonable manner.

In the “I got Jacked” thread, Aeq explicitly states that he is going to handle the situation. Why would you, Jimmy, feel the need to meddle in the life of a stranger (Aeq)? It is completely disrespectful of Aeq for you to get involved. Did you ever consider that you might not have all the pertinent information? Did you ever consider that by getting involved you might be hurting Aeq chances of getting his money back? Did you ever consider that some wouldn’t want a small-town police officer poking around these threads on police business? Or did these types of considerations go out the window when you made an uninformed decision and took unilateral action?

Considering I can't go back to his posts to show what I was talking towards...

He sounded like and even had a few posts pointing towards informing the cops of the situation (which he ultimately did). That's what I was focused on more than HES's actions.

I don't give a rat's ass about HES. Ban him. Aeq can turn him in to the cops. Whatever. I think he did something really stupid and he does deserve no sympathy. I know I would've turned him in.

Even if many people agree, is it really a good idea to discuss openly about whether to turn someone in and ban them from a website that they've spent time at?

What I'm getting at is..even if it is a stupid act and people agree on what should happen...it's not really our place to talk openly and take a poll about it..which I saw as simplifying the situation down to "Hey, who thinks we should can this guy". I just didn't see it adding any substance to the forum other than talking about a situation that is an awful reminder that we are all strangers talking on a random website.

I think it also belittles Aeq's decision. I'm sure it was a very difficult decision and I'm sure there are things about this situation that Aeq would like to put in the past and get on with life.

And, to open a poll about his decision seems as sort of a second guess. It seems quite disrespectful to go around him (a lawyer at that) to make a decision on the situation independent of the person affected.

Yes...we know about the situation. Yes...we would all like to help in any way possible. However, you have to remember that you are reading a random person's words on an internet forum. Sometimes people get overly involved in other people's lives and start making decisions while they forget that it's just some random person that they've only talked to on a website.

I wasn't/wouldn't defend HES. But, I think there should be enough respect put in place to let the people involved deal with it and to keep the forum moving forward.

Perhaps because I use this forum, play on Pokerstars and had my account breached some time ago and because Pokerstars said it was a family friend or member I belived this and blamed an individual who still protests there innocence, perhaps just perhaps it was this stupid knobhead, perhaps I dont really know and I didnt have the way of finding out because I diddnt know then what I know now.

Perhaps just perhaps this knobhead has tried other members accounts and failed without us knowing, and I feel someone should atleast inform some legal authority about this case even if it means its there for future refrence.

Perhaps I dont agree that letting posssible criminal off because he pays you back is not enough. You wont change my mind and I stick by what ive done and to update you the police in StJoseph have passed the details to the FBI ,I dont care what they do but at least this person will have to think twice now if he wants to continue what hes done in the past.

Am not alone in this look at the poll results 2/3 members agree in reporting this guy. well I have.

You live in the same world as George Bush. Everything is black and white, subtleties and nuances don’t exist, and you should never reflect upon your decisions or actions. Good for you.

I would have serious issues being on a forum with a known fraud perpetrator.

Wow... this thread sure has gotten "interesting."

Let me ask you this, jimmy - in the past, people have spoken of underage drinking, drug use, not reporting poker income on their taxes, downloading of copyrighted materials, etc. It's all heresay, of course, since none of us can actually see each other first hand and KNOW what people are doing behind their computer screens.

But I'm just wondering - every time someone links to a torrent site where other forum members can find the latest episode of "Lost" that they missed or "High Stakes Poker," which airs on the Game Show Network that they don't get, do you scribble down their information, track down their local police department and/or pass the information on the the FBI?

I realize you feel very strongly about this, and that's fine... but I agree with mel, here (the George Bush comments and all). It is impossible that you have ALL the information, you've completly disrespected Aeq's wishes, and IMO, you've overstepped your bounds.

Had this happened to me, I would have reported HES, yes. But it didn't. It happened to AEQ, and I respect him enough (barely ;)) to realize that this is his decision to make, and not mine. I thought this poll was just a simple way of asking whether people thought Aeq should report HES - not you.

I will be banning HES, yes, but again - not until this blows over a bit. If I ban him now, there is a chance he won't even see the latest in this thread and that you've reported him, let alone have a chance to respond. Maybe he doesn't even have the "right" to know that or to respond. I don't know. It's a tricky situation.

Chuck Norris could

Jimmy - Make sure that when you see someone speeding, you dial 911, someone could get hurt if you dont...

Just sat down and got caught up with this thread. Wow, some of your internet people are CRAZY. LOL. I'll give a more detailed explanation of my thoughts probably tomorrow, since this whole weekend is busy for me.

TP..

Am not an overprotective person or vigilante that that frowns or remarks at every criminal offence, I feel though because we are on a poker forum and telling each other how were doing were we play when we play how much we win and lose how much weve just deposited how much bonus ect weve just had ect, and at one stage were we come from how old and when we were born, its just not on for one of our own to try and attempt to steal it.

The points you mention in the first paragraph are all down to us as individuals, if we want to download illegally or not pay taxes we know what to expect if we get caught, what this guy done and then addmitted and then asked for -rep points as a punishment from us is just not on.

I am not sure but I remember about a year and a bit ago someone attempting to hack into someones account again on our forum, I may be wrong. This guy must be reported even if nothing happens because Lou has decided not to report the crime against him. We must cover ourselfs incase it happens again, I feel better knowing that his local force know what he attempted.

Just look at the members respose to his actions, nearly all out date of births have been removed and our cities, am I the only person who is paranoid about this. Am sorry for the poll and misleading members and fuck the FBI seems over the top, but this guy isnt sorry read through his conversation with Lou and since then,,,I dont know what more to say but Sorry this really got to me..


So bloody paranoid ,,deleted everything personal about myself ,,,even my lovely moving fish Avatar

the thing to think about Jimmy, is that is it any of our business? AEQ and TP are handling it, HES will be banned. I doubt hes is insane enough to try it again, if he did he KNOWS we will find out instantly, we have all the info we need from AEQ, i may be insane here, but i reckon if HES tried it with me, hed be in jail faster than you can say cat in a hat ( to quote swordfish ), i have ideas from AEQ now if this happens.

All this thread was meant to be is our representation of events, i dont feel we should in anyway interfere with things gogin on, we have our right to vote on our feelings, discuss possible repercussions on HES's actions, but in NO WAY is it our business to interfere and try to sway the mind of the prson who is the vistim (AEQ).

I feel that our vote should be seen, and the moralistic answers viewed, but who are we to tell a lawyer if to prosecute a guy for something?

Yes, jimmy - you are being paranoid.

Lou has sensitive information saved in his very unsecure YAHOO email account. That was his mistake. Names, hometowns and birthdays are simply not enough (alone) to get entry into someone's poker account anywhere (at least none of the major sites). If they are, try getting into this account just for kicks:

Ben Affleck
August 15, 1972
Berkeley, CA

GL with that.

nah, im done being a lil prick

Based on the above post (and others from HES) ^^^^^^^^^^ - I see very little, if any, remorse.

I have a queston:

If not a moral obligation, is it not a civic obligation to protect the greater good to report a known crime to the authorities even if the victim didn't/does not want to?

Naturally - this is dependent on the crime, however, this particular one may very well have (and quite easily) turned out financially devastating to AEQ. Just google online identity theft and read some of the first hand accounts that may have started the same way this one did. People take years to recover from said instances, would it not be prudent to report this before it evolves into something more detrimental to the victim or leads to other victims? HES hase proven a will, desire and ability to commit this crime.

Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas....

-Studio-

A desire and ability? How do I have the ability cause I got into ONE account? And now that Ive done it once Im gunna do it over and over again? No, I dont know much about computer shit, I dont have the ability, Aeq just had too much stuff in an unsecure mailbox. Most emails will be in somethin like Outlook Express. How do you expect me to get into that? Impossible, for me. The reason I could get all the information on Aeq is because he had all his information in his yahoo account profile. Name, Address, phone number, Neteller info, ect...

Nope, Dont think I really have an ability.

JimmyM, what do you think SJPD is going to do?

1.You werent involved.
2.Lou has to be the one to press charges.
3.YOU dont have the evidence.
4.Stars wont release the information to YOU.

Does this hurt my chances of ever getting a TP hat? :) jk

Yahoo mail is secured with a username and password, albeit weak. However, you had the right to exploit this how??

Integrity has everything to do with this - of which yours is most certainly in question/doubt. How can anyone believe you won't considering how not-seriously you seem to be taking the situation. **see above post from you**

You've proven your ability:


Oh - and the neg reps I'm gettting for this.....I really don't give a flying f*ck about.

remorse? nah, just gettin a little agrivated bout how other people are stepping in. This is still between me and Lou. What can anyone else do?

I didnt realize that by fucking up once made me an addict. Maybe I should check out getting into an AA type deal for someone whos done fraud. Might even invest in getting a patch or somethin to help with my hacker cravings. Im not a top of the line hacker whos gunna keep doin this. God, I fucked up, I tried making my wrong right and have done everything I can to correct it.
Heres a question for the people reading this.

WHAT MORE CAN I DO? Ive appologized, payed him back, and I am working off my consequences. What more can I do people?

Is it about 1 out of 12?

:confused: :confused: 1 in 365 aint it

As much as I think this thread was a bad idea and reporting the incident independently of Aeq may be overstepping the situation...I doubt there is anything you could say in this thread, HES, that would make the situation any better.

I mean, you're gonna be taking lumps...might as well deal with it.

:thumbsup: change your sig to a nice sentiment works for me, an apology:thumbsup:

Even though I didnt show it, respect is very important to me. I know I will not get it any more around here. But I am trying to make things right. Im sorry to not only Aeq., but to everyone.

Will someone ban this kid already, or at the very least, let me -rep him for every post he makes?

just +rep everyone else, it will have the same effect

Talk about odds
 

well my wife and my birthdays are on same day? Get Zybomb to figure out all the odds, human calculators and all.