general league rules
 

I have been in many leagues and actully will be involved in one on a different forum next month. Here is how they usually work but of course rules can be changed by TP or anyone to fit his personal taste.


Usually they are run for about 1 to 3 months, usually about 2 games per week to let everyone have a chance to play. Buy in would be suggested $5 or $10, now as for placing you get points by what place you come on compared to how many join. I know a great place to find many calculators to determine this just ask, at end of league prizes will be given out and the prize pool should be mostly from the users.

for example $10 to join the league and the individual buy ins for the tornies say 20 people join that makes a prize pool of $200 to be split between top 3 places at 60%,30% and 10% or whatever you personally want to make it. Of course whatever you win along the way in your games is yours to take. usually you only take your top like 8 scores so it will be fair to everyone. Not fair if someone was able to make all 32 games and some other guy only able to make like 10 of them. It seems on this site we would have to do 2 a week because its so hard to get everyone together on one day a week.

You could also run 2 leagues together one PM and one AM then the winners of each play eachother or just have 2 seperate ones. Really its up to the users how they want to do it. I think this is a great Idea and I would be all for it if you all want to get it together. I dont like the idea of a free league because I think TP has given enough and needs a break. I think most of the users here could afford this. I personally think a $10 entry fee to leaugue and a $5 entry fee to tornies would work out nice.



Opininos?

I would be very interested in something like this. I have pondered something like this for a while but just never saw open. What site are you looking to do this on?

If there is enough interest in this, I will fully support it and will gladly ADD money to the prizepool... but this can not be a freeroll league. It has to be a minimum buy in league.

Also, I don't want to run it. I have enough going on. So if someone else wants to step up (Blibbity? :) ), by all means, please do. Hell, BDMK seems to have a lot of experience with this. Maybe he'll want to step up and lay out the groundwork, see who is interested, and get things going...

K
 

i think we can do it without you having to add money to it. Should be a simple as having a buy-in to the league and there is the prize money at the end. I know you feel obligated to put money in every torney we have but think its time you took a break with that stuff.

I have a great calculator right now but its linked through another forum so Ill find another one.

How about something like a 20 dollar original league buy in. Then 5 - 10 dollars for each individual event. If you would like even some sort of a mainevent with a 30-40 dollar buy in.

I would also like a few different events not only hold em. Maybe PL omaha high or seven card stud

Absolutely, Omaha 8B (limit and PL) TOO!

I have no problem getting this going, but I am not an expert with it by any means so if anyone has any input feel free to share it. BDMK, let me know if you are interested in figuring this out.

First questions:

1) Who is interested?
2) How much would you be willing to put in to a league fee? ($10, $20, $30)
3) How much would you be willing to pay as a buyin per event? ($5, $10)
4) How long should this last (maybe a shorter duration one for the first try)? (10 weeks with 2-3 events per week at varying times/days/game types? Top 8 of the 20-30 games count)
5) What games would you like to have as part of the lineup? (NL, LIMIT, PL Omaha, Omaha 8B LIMIT and PL, 7 Stud, 7 stud 8B, Horse :D )

ummmm
 

Point System: The point system will be the same as we have used in the previous leagues. It is a simple reverse point system with the top 3 spots earning extra points. Last place earns one point, each place up from last earns another point. The top 3 spots each get additional points (5 for first, 3 for second, 1 for third). Here is an example with 10 players. Your best 6 scores (out of the 7 weeks) will count towards your overall point total.



Cost: The league has a $5 fee to register. This $5 will ALL be paid out in prizes. Each league match will be a regular $5.50 tournament, with the normal prize structure.


entry fee for the leaugue will be sent to TP account because he is the most trustworthy person on here.


Prize Distribution: The prize pool will be distributed to the top 3 in total points at the end of the final match. 1st - 50%, 2nd - $30%, 3rd - 20%.

I'm interested. A league fee of 20 dollars. Buy ins of both 5 and 10 dollars ( varies ) I thin 10 weeks is fine. nl hold em, limit holdem, and pl omaha high

nope
 

$20 I think is too much of a fee for league. what i posted 2 up would work out fine.

Im in. I think a $20 dollar league fee and $10 events will be the most reasonable, and will get the most turnouts. All of the games you mention should be played at least once, with the final MAIN EVENT being NLHE, just like the WSOP. Im not sure how the points system works, but if we could do something like the Toyota Leaderboard to determine the overall winner, that would be cool. The main event would be weighted heavier than the other events. Last of all I think this should be on Stars. If I have to play one more match on Bugsys Club, I think my eyes will commit suicide and take my brain with them.

damn
 

I give up im out of it. you all have fun.

I think 5 dollars i way to small

nope
 

ive done them 5 times in past they work fine but go ahead and make it $20 love to see how it turns out.

Wait..... because people are having a discussion and aren't blindly accepting everything you say, you're "out?"

Yup, that sounds about right.

nope
 

has nothing to do with that just dont feel like putting $20 into something that might not even have a good turnout every week. I would rather sit back and watch this, is that ok with you?

I didn't realize the rules and league buy in were finalized. I thought one person disagreed with you and that was enough to send you running.

But certainly - you are welcome to do whatever you like.

I am another that would be interested in playing in a league if it comes to pass, I think it would be great fun and most on here seem to know one another fairly well so why not have a league for talking poker members. Gives everyone a chance to play good, fun poker together.

?????
 

who is running? why do you take everything I say to the extreme? just want to sit out this time around and see how it runs.

dude youre whining. were just having a discussion to see how were could work this out. relax

I am very interested in this and I think too it is a good idea to play some other games besides NL Hold Em although i think that should be the main game - this way i will be forced to learn to play the other games. :)

im not whining
 

I could care less how you all run it, hell make it 1k buy in. I have enough to keep me busy with leagues this next 2 months that I could care less. I just want to know why TP has to jump down my neck and put a negative twist on everything I post.

yes you are whining, go ahead and play all of those other leagues that youre so busy with! By the way why would you want to start a league here if you so busy with the others?

easy
 

because I like most of the users here and enjoy playing with them.

and i wasnt starting the league I posted the info because I have experience playing them and wanted to share what I know about playing them. Although there is no way im shelling out $20 in a league that im not sure is gonna be good or not. Now if its a sucess then id be happy to next time around.

i thought this side of u was gone
but i guess it just leaves for awhile and always ends up coming back

Bingo.

Wasn't jumping. Was just commenting on this that came completely out of the blue. Scroll up and see for yourself:

Whatever, dude. I'm not playing this game with you today. Take your toys and go home if you want. See you tomorrow, when you've hopefully remembered to take your meds.

why
 

what am i doing that sooo wrong? all i did is say i didnt want to be part of it this time around and got jumped all over by TP (as usual). Ill still be happy to help setting it up if BB needs the help or the info but this time I just want to watch. I dont understand what the problem is here.

you know what
 

I dont appritiate the meds comments and I would appritiate it if you would refrain from them. Its not funny and I dont say that kinda crap to you so please dont to me.

Lets just end it right there.

No big problem i guess - but u had a good idea and the idea was getting alot of interest - then somebody suggests (OH NO - $15 more for the buy in) and u JUMP to conclusions rather than expressing ur opinions and say "im out have fun without me" out of nowhere - not necessary

Like I said
 

Like i said im not putting $20 into something that might totally bomb, id be happy to help behind the scenes but as for playing I leave that up to you all. Pay $20 and have 4 people show up to the game hardly seems worth it to me. The way people have had such a hard time getting together here in past I wouldnt pay more then $5.

Exactly. I'm on the same page as JD here.

As for me jumping on you, that was not my intent. I thought it was odd how in the middle of the brainstorming though, when ONE person suggested something other than what you did, you made that abrupt post about leaving. I guess it just reminded me of the other 500 times you've done similar things, hence my "That sounds about right" comment.

Consider it dropped. Back to actual league discussion and less SWAdrama.

Okay, that is fine with all of us u can make ur own decisions- but that post above is sure ALOT better and more helpful as to where you're coming from than this:
But its done now , u dont want to play u dont have to

horse
 

BB mentioned horse, I think horse tornies are only availible at full tilt. Do they have them possible on stars also? Also if you run them on stars someone like TP will have to set up the tornies because if I remember correctly you have to have a certain # of Player Points to start private tornies. I think most people have the most money in stars so that would be the obvious choice and seems like tornies are easiest to set up there.

TP do you have any problem holding the entry fees until the end of the league?

Do you have no conecpt of what brainstorming is? Why are you making a huge deal that you aren't going to be in this league? I don't see 10 posts from anyone else saying that because of ONE PERSON'S SUGGESTION (which is far from set in stone), they won't be in the league, so why do you feel the need to keep saying it over and over again? No one cares and more importantly, we get it already! You're not playing. Ok, fine.

If you feel the need to tell us 10 more times, maybe I could make a new "Brian won't be in the league" thread for you to talk to yourself in, so you don't have to keep cluttering up this one.

Damn.

Of course not.

well
 

ummmm

point system
 

what you all think of the point system i posted earlier?


Point System: The point system will be the same as we have used in the previous leagues. It is a simple reverse point system with the top 3 spots earning extra points. Last place earns one point, each place up from last earns another point. The top 3 spots each get additional points (5 for first, 3 for second, 1 for third). Here is an example with 10 players. Your best 6 scores (out of the 7 weeks) will count towards your overall point total.


we need at least like 10 peope to make this point system work.

so what is it w can agree on? I say 20 dollars is fine but lets all come to an agreement.

I like the idea of many different games. I think maybe weshould very the price of some of the buy ins. some five and maybe some 10. Maybe even have soe sort of a main event at 20 dollars. I dont know you tell me. Just a suggestion.

But let me run out of here quick before brianswa comes after me for making a suggestion.

I might just be zoned out here and being dumb. But explain that further i really didnt pick it up.

main event
 

what is this main event stuff? is it gonna go by points per torney because if it is then the person that wins the last torney could still be in last place in league.

unless you want to do a sort of bracket thing and then at that case you can have the top finishers throughout the league play in a "MAIN EVENT"

no problem
 

say there is 20 people in torney week 1 torney 1

last place 1st person out gets 1 point
next person out gets 2 points
next person out gets 3 points
etc
etc
etc

until you get to top 3 and they get the point in the scale plus the bonus points for each place.


so third would get 18 points for scale plus 1 bonus point = 19
second would get 19 points for scale plus 3 bonus point = 22
1st gets 20 points for scale plus 5 bonus points to get total of = 25

its alot easier then it sounds.

ok so the point system souds very good. But what is the point of a point system that you would win all of the entry fee's in the end if its only 5 dllars per person, when every tourney minumum is going to be just over 5 dollars. Does it make snese to you to play very verygood win through points and in the end only getlike 40 dollars through the points. I would say that is pretty low. Thats where i suggested a 15 - 20 buy in tha way the point system in the end actually matters and you get paid for it. I would say if its a 5 dollar for the league then just forget the pont system all together because it doesnt payout much at all.

you tell me

interesting
 

I understand your point by making it $5 was hopeing to get more people involved in it. usually it get divided 60%30%10% for 1st 2nd and 3rd at end of leaugue, I was hopeing by having low buy in you can attract about 25 people to this $125 prize pool and any money you make along the way. This was brought up more of a way for everyone to have fun playing together rather then a way to make money.

well i understand what youre saying. so its either more people less money or less people more money. Or maybe make a compomise andmeet in the middle and make it 10 dollars. And have buy ins between 5 and 10 dollars.

Make it so top 6 in the league are eligible for something special at the end. maybe call t final event

that sounds dooable to me, just gotta make sure you use like top 6 or 7 scores throught the league so its fair to everyone. I can garantee you not everyone is gonna make all the torneis. Also gotta try to set them at different times am/pm...

Exactly!

This isnt something that we can start within the next couple of days. I say its something that we need to plan for a while. Take our time with it that way we can get it run right. And actually get everyones input and just make it imply a majority rulesthat is the most civil way we can do this. So i think we need to talk all of this over. Maybe even attempt a minumum of 25 people i dont know if that can be done but it sounds right Because remember like you said we wil not e able to get evryone and not verone is going to want to play omaha and stud if we do have it.

So we need to plan this for a while, and figure out an actual schedule.

Or how about if its a 10 dollar league buy in and we have minumum of 20 players. The top 6 players using the point system will all meet for a " WPT Style Final Table " for the entrance fee prize pool. I thik that sounds nice it gives you something to shoot for in the end with you being consistent as lon as your earnings you take through your individual tournament earnings

I think it sounds like $10 would be a good idea, IMO. That would give a pretty big pool and hopefully will let enough people participate.

Question 1:
Would anyone NOT participate due to the league entry fee if it was $10 (either because that is too high or because it HAS to be $20 in their opinion)?

I agree with Brian that a 25 player pool would be a "good" size BUT, if we are having 2-3 events each week, not everyone is going to show up for all of them, then I think we need to have 30+ overall to get the turnout (at least 10) for each event.I would rather see this be 18-20 minimum per event but I doubt that is going to happen (based on past results).

Question 2:
Would it be possible to have some events at a different site? For example Stars is $10+$1 and u for buyins. If we were able to also set up some other games at Full Tilt (variety of games and $5+.50 buyin) would that make sense (or would anyone have a problem with it)? Both Stars and Full Tilt are said to have good tourney structures, right?

well
 

after the holidays for sure, was thinking 2 games a week one AM and one PM, one on weekend and one on weekday. Probollly weekend one in AM, run it for a month meaning 8 games and top 5 scores just to see how it runs. If its a sucess then run it longer next time. If we have enough people then yea we can run a top 6 at end of league.

hmmm
 

having it on multiple sites might cause problems for some. Might mean that some might have to move money around and they may not want to but I think we could put it up for a vote. I agree the $10 is a good amount. Maybe try to keep the 1st one just on stars then if its a sucess maybe next one run at multiple sites.