Playing the BoP Triple Shootout today...
 

I've never played a triple shootout, but I'm getting a general idea of how it's played.

However, I am going to be wanting some potential second opinions on hands while I'm playing, (not necessarily full on ghost), and I'm giving everyone my AIM
to hit me up.

Tommy Automatica is my screenname (yes with a space).

Feel free to to post yours here.

Thanks guys. :cheers:

IMO ghosting of any shape and size is wrong, if you can't play the game on you're own then dont play it, seriously this is a shocking post.

thadeas.

I didn't see this thread until now, but I agree with thadeas entirely.

I doubt he meant during the actual hand. I ghost him all the only time we discuss hands is after they have played out. Line checks etc. I may occasionally tell him to shove AA or 84 but I highly doubt that constitutes as cheating since both are standard plays.

Lol I guess this was misunderstood.

I don't mean during hands, but example:

I'm in a tough spot, I fold. I'll take the hand history, post it to fildy for example, and ask for an opinion. Does he think it was the right fold? Should I have got it in?

Sorry if this was taken the wrong way.

this wasnt misunderstood, its what you asked.

I mean... I said "second opinions on hands", I'm not saying "tell me how to play the hands" ... I'm saying, if I think I misplayed a hand, or I think I shoulda taken a different line, how could I have played it differently? Some on the spot analysis was all I was looking for.

na im not having it, you asked "while I'm playing, (not necessarily full on ghost)" this implies you want some sort of help maybe on hands you think you cant decide on yourself.

Well then, you're ignorant. That's not what I was implying and I honestly could care less what you think.

I wouldn't expect anyone on this forum to care less about anything I have to say, im not in the in crowd, but what i will do is call out where I think something is wrong and that is what I have done, like it or not.

I'm pretty sure ghosting is not against stars rules (simply because they did allow multiple people to play on one account during previous PCA's), so I don't really see a problem against it.

I'm just saying your misinterpretation and ignorant responses are something to be frowned upon.

My request was equivalent to asking someone "Did I play that hand bad?" at your average home game.

But you blew it up into this unnecessary ordeal, and accused me of cheating.

So with all due respect sir, maybe you should think before you speak... or just ask questions... before you blatantly bash someone.

I'm pretty sure it isn't either... but it's irrelevant. It wasn't a ghosting request... I made it clear that I wasn't asking for a ghost, but people to critique hands they thought I may have misplayed.

First : Wes im not sure ghosting is against the rules either as it is really difficult for the sites to police or prove, but IMO as i stated before its wrong. What happens if im playing some $5 donkament and I get Mooreman1 or Stevie444 to ghost me? is that fair to the average $5 tourney player?

Second : claudio if you actually read your original post then you would understand how it comes across, you say you weren't asking for a ghost which is correct or in your own words "not necessarily full on ghost". Make me out to be the bad guy all you like and I dont care, at the end of the day you wanted realtime help as the hands played out and that is not right in my book, couldn't get away with it playing live so why should i tolerate it online?

You basically just reiterated what I said ... "Not necessarily a full on ghost" implying, I don't want realtime opinions on the hand ... because, that would be a full on ghost. Wow, I don't know how much more clear I could make it in the OP that I wasn't looking for someone to make decisions for me... but you're right thadeas, no one should be allowed to analyze hands that I've played online. We should probably delete the Hand Discussion section of the forum while we're at it.

You're ignorant. I'm not making you out to be the bad guy, I'm making you out to be the narrow minded clueless guy.

But it would have been okay to post on a forum and get a response that way?
The only difference is the speed at which the response comes so why should it matter? its essentially the same thing is it not?

Really at the end of the day you have no clue what he wanted. You only know what was typed into his message. Maybe the words didn't come out like he wanted them to, maybe they did. However you have no clue of his intent. Lots of people have a disconnect between what they think and what they can put on "paper". He stated he wanted second opinion on hands. Where did he mention he wanted the second opinion during the hand? I guess I don't see why you got your panties in a bunch over this.

Also there are many things you can't do live that you can do online and that makes none of them wrong.

Hmm, i have issues with this (but in a nice way)

People posts hands for analysis all the time, doing it via AIM with a ghost would be faster, but thats all.

As for getting good players to ghost you, surely if you think thats unfair then all the people paying $5 to enter a $5 tourney, and having JohnnyBax, PhilIvey, Mossified84 or someone joining would make it unfair to them too?

:twocents:

But at least they know they are playing them.

Yeah but the average $5 tourney guy wouldnt really know anyway, unless they read PTP/2p2 or something.

I can kinda see how this thread started, with claudio saying "While im playing".

But tbh i have no issues with anyone ghosting anyone else, ive done it for a few people before, both while active in a hand and after the hand for analysis.

Neither really changed the opinion much.

One last thing - what the fuck is the BoP? What site, anyone got a link?

Battle of Planets. It is a stars promotion for sit n gos.

a good read. check it out.

As long as it is allowed by the rules of the site, I would think it is fair. Sure there are some aspects of how online is regulated that I disagree with, but saying it is unfair for someone to utilize this option seems a little too haste on something to whine about. If you don't like, complain to the site and/or play somewhere else.

This pretty much 100% sums up how I feel about the whole ghosting thing. I don't like it (it being "full on ghosting"), but if it's allowed by the poker sites, then it's well within a player's right to do it.

Ya I see no problem with this at all. When I bought pieces of Straate to play in some 300/600 games he used camtasia with everyone who had a piece of him, and was chatting about all the hands and what different situations.

Well it seems that the majority rule and nothing is wrong with ghosting, fair enough but lets see what you say when you lose a major pot against someone and then it comes out that some high stakes pro basically told them what to do.

to Mogul4, bax and ivey aint regulars in the $5 tourneys but any player above the recreational standard will know the names and relise if they are at the table then they should pay more attention to them which distracts the attention from a unknown who could be ghosted by a big player, can you see the issue here? brian townsend even played on a different account so that people who knew his game didn't know he was playing.

And to everyone else that doesn't see a problem with the op then gg, i officially conceed, this forum has beaten me and im out, no big loss for a forum that has less than 3% of its membership posting regular. ha ha.

And finally claudioxcore, i am gonna send stars a email directing them to this thread, what they do with that information is basically up to them.

The integrity of the game is only as good as the integrity of the players.

You make me lol...

Ignorant fuck.

cya

Btw, you sure do seem like you know the ins and outs of this online poker thing, coming from someone who's played roughly 100 tournaments over 3 years.

Where you get your stats from, im sure ive played less than that.

I gather you must be including the eurodonk sites, oh no you aint so fuck off you know how many and what games ive played. One thing i will say is yes im no balla.

Out of all the things to throw a fit about your choosing something that stars allows. Even more you mounted your high horse on an assumption of what claudio wanted which wasnt even the case. I don't get it.

Lol trolls.

How did u do in the BoP anyway?

And i can kinda see thad's point, even though i dont understand the conviction in it.

Leave it alone, and say nh!

Busted the first round, made a questionable call. Idk, it was close. One of those spots where he either caught the 5 outter or I was still ahead.

Gonna try to qualify again this month got 18th on the leaderboard last week.

One of those times where i missed a thread while reading the forum and I just gotta say wow.

Since I haven't commented on anything in a bit, this thread looks like a fun one to jump into.

I'll just say in my opinion that the OP definitely sounded like you were looking for real time advice, not strategy discussions after you'd acted. Whether or not this was your intent, I don't really care.

Ghosting, meh. I don't like the idea of people soliciting real time advice while playing poker but I know it happens and it doesn't really bother me.

Oh, and Claudiox I think you may be misusing the word ignorant.

ig·no·rant
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed


ignorant. (n.d.). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.

Sounds accurate to me.

Claudioxcore you know nothing about me or about how educated I am, the knowledge I have on this subject is from the information you provided in your original post which was asking for hand advice in real time, not every hand but definately some of them i.e ghosting.

I did not make you post the original message or word it the way you did, I just responded with my opinion.

so much swama so little swa.

You didn't respond with an opinion, you made a blind assumption that I was asking for people to make decisions for me, when clearly you misinterpreted the OP and then proceeded to call me a liar, and bash me, having no acknowledgment of my intentions.

Sounds kinda ignorant to me.

Now, if you would have said "claudioxcore , it sounds like you're trying to have people make decisions for you in key hands... is this true" and I said "yes, those are my intentions", then your argument would be valid. None the less, you didn't ask me and questions, and you didn't know my intentions.

It was your OP that mentioned a ghost, granted not a "full on ghost" but a ghost none the less.

Obviously after I reacted to it you would back track and say that I misunderstood what you wanted, but imo it seemed fairly clear as you listed your AIM and wanted people to list theirs.

I have the right to reply as you do and it is the only reason im still posting in this thread but im done with this forum and people like you, you shouldn't really be bothered by what a troll like me thinks anyway.

And you have made the Blind Assumption that im a troll and know nothing about poker because ive played less than 100 tournaments from the stats you have been able to gain, you havent factored in that I play on many euro sites of which you can't get that data.

I wish you luck and hopefully we will avoid each other on the tables but if I do happen to see you in a game im playing then I have the note on you saying "may not be him making the decisions".

Peace out homie.

Do you oppose programs like PokerTracker and HoldemManager too? I have a bigger problem with those being utilized than some person sweating another, especially when used with datamining. You can get a sense of how the person is going to play without ever seeing a single hand played by the person and already have an advantage over the person without his knowing it.

How about sharkscope, tableratings, onlinepokerrankings, etc.?

FWIW I use them all because it is allowed and I do feel it gains me advantage over the opposition.

And how will this note benefit you? LMAO

Wes, yes I actually do oppose those programs like PokerTracker but at the end of the day the sites themselves allow the use of such programs so who am I to argue. I dont use any such programs but on occasions I have used sharkscope to look up opponents and see if they are good or bad. Maybe ghosting isn't against the sites rules either but I have a problem with it, lets face it if your in a big pot for alot of money or your tournament life would you prefer to be playing against one person or two/three different people.

Zy, it was meant to be a sarcastic note. Guess the sarcasm got lost in the translation from english to american.

When will you fucking idiots learn that the proper use of the phrase is "I couldn't care less"!!! Sheez. :rolleyes:

lol This was my first comment to claud.

I find it kind of funny that you complain about this place being cliquey and how long time members don't respect new members and so on.... you, having registered here in 10/07, while claudioxcore registered here last month (that would say "this month," had I made this post a couple of days ago).

Yet it is you who have been bashing him over and over in this thread and it is you who is now spouting off about how you don't need this forum or the people in it and so on and so forth.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass, IMO.

TP, you have basically proved my point, yes I did say this forum is cliquey but if you actually re-read what I wrote you will notice I said unless they were related to or friends/associates of existing members. Claudio is clearly a friend of Fildy and Fildy vouched for him which gave Claudio instant approval from the clique.

Its off the point and far more trivial than the subject of ghosting IMO.

Anyway there is nothing more for me to add on either subject as its like beating my head against a door to get most of you to see it from my point of view.

I wish no-one on this forum any malice and with regret this is my last post, plenty more fish in the sea or in this case plenty more forums on the internet.

GL All

thadeas is out of here.

If it ever gets to the point where I spend even one second worrying about cliques on an internet message board, someone please take a gun to my head and end it for me. Thank you.

:thumbsup: